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#6505326 - 05/15/12 06:25 AM Re: black powder for 30-30, 32 special or 35 remington [Re: tex_n_cal]
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Or variations on that theme. Note my comment above about Chip's method. With black powder, there is a difference between managing fouling, and cleaning, albeit with similarities. Fouling management involves keeping fouling uniformly soft, and not allowing excessive buildup, during a shooting session or match. Cleaning means total removal of firing residue and protection of the bore.

I agree with my friend Ranch13, it isn't nearly as difficult as some make it out to be.

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#6505350 - 05/15/12 06:34 AM Re: black powder for 30-30, 32 special or 35 remington [Re: wildhobbybobby]
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I'm guessing you would get about 1200 to 1400 fps with a standard weight bullet in any of those calibers with BP, so you would have the ballistic equivalent of a .357 Magnum revolver. Should work OK for deer up to 100 yards if you do your part


That is about what I remember with my pyrodex tests. I was simply trying to get an idea what would work in a worst case scenario and a person needed to kill some meat. I do remember deciding that I could kill deer but would need to get close. miles
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#6505689 - 05/15/12 08:27 AM Re: black powder for 30-30, 32 special or 35 remington [Re: tex_n_cal]
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Originally Posted By: tex_n_cal
I know some folks don't like bore snakes, but here it seems to be a good option to pull the BP residue out through the muzzle, if you have an action that does not allow a conventional cleaning rod. Now how you clean the snake afterwards...that may be interesting... smile



I'm not sure how you'ld ever get one of those boresnakes clean enough to use again after 1 pass down a bp fouled barrel.
Maybe one of the Otis things where you could change the patch would be alright.
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#6505785 - 05/15/12 09:00 AM Re: black powder for 30-30, 32 special or 35 remington [Re: Ranch13]
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Chip's method: Piece of weed trimmer line, pointed at one end, melt a blob to stop the patch at the other. Lifetime supply for pennies.

Your choice of cleaning juice.

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#6508058 - 05/15/12 09:05 PM Re: black powder for 30-30, 32 special or 35 remington [Re: Ranch13]
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Originally Posted By: Ranch13
Originally Posted By: patbrennan
I always thought it would be neat to use black powder in an "old" lever actioned rifle on a deer hunt. Any particular problems that would prevent me using a 94 winchester or even a marlin 336 with black powder for the occasional hunt and would it be better to use cast bullets as opposed to regular jacketed bullets with the lower velocity I would expect?
Lots of experience reloading, none at all with black powder, or the cartridges mentioned for that matter!


Those cartridges can be loaded with bp, the result may be less than stellar. I have not loaded the 32 special, but the difference between it and the 32-40 are very slight, and the 32-40 is known historically as one of the more accurate match shooting cartridges.
The 35 remington I load with smokeless and haven't ever had the urge to shoot it with black.
The 30-30 will benefit greatly by adding one of the lubed felt wads for a 31cal cap and ball revolver on top of the powder.
I would suggest if you try any of those 3 to use 3f blackpowder, fill the case to just short of the mouth and then use a Lyman "M" die to compress the wad and powder to just short of the base of the neck. Don't use any more crimp on the bullet than it takes to take the flare out of the case mouth.
Cleaning up after firing blackpowder is not as hard as those on the internet that haven't done it, always seem prone to make it out to be.
Start by opening the action and pointing the ejection port down So when you push the patches down the barrel they fall to the floor/ground). Then blow a few deep moist breaths down the barrel. Then push a dry patch down the bore with a jag on the end of your cleaning rod. Follow that with a damp patch (just water works fine) followed by a couple of dry patches, and repeat until the patches come out clean. At this point you may need to use your favored lead mining technigue if your patches show grey streaks or splotches.
Liberal coat the bore and the inside of the action with your favored bore cleaner. put the gun up until the next outing, don't forget to wipe the oil out of the bore before shooting.
cleaning the cases, deprime the cases, drop into a coffee can with about 1/4 inch of simple green in the bottom, when all the cases are deprimed and in the can fill with water until all the cases are covered. Shake the can for a little bit. Then flush with cold water until the water comes out of the can clear. Spread cases with mouths down to dry, when dry put them into the tumbler and make them sparkly again. If you're not going out in public and don't care if you have grubby looking cases skip the tumbler part.


That is fine for the bore but what about the receiver ? if you don't think those cartridges don't leak powder then you haven't fired many. they are of a lower pressure than a smokeless powder load and do not seal the chamber as good, so there is more leakeage.been there done that. grin
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#6508077 - 05/15/12 09:15 PM Re: black powder for 30-30, 32 special or 35 remington [Re: Hubert]
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Bullspit.
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#6513423 - 05/17/12 03:35 PM Re: black powder for 30-30, 32 special or 35 remington [Re: Ranch13]
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Originally Posted By: Ranch13
Bullspit.


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#6513507 - 05/17/12 04:08 PM Re: black powder for 30-30, 32 special or 35 remington [Re: Hubert]
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Originally Posted By: Hubert
Originally Posted By: Ranch13
Bullspit.


????

Yeh means you're talking out your ass about things you don't have a clue about.
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#6514484 - 05/17/12 11:35 PM Re: black powder for 30-30, 32 special or 35 remington [Re: Ranch13]
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Originally Posted By: Ranch13
Originally Posted By: Hubert
Originally Posted By: Ranch13
Bullspit.


????

Yeh means you're talking out your ass about things you don't have a clue about.


you want to shoot black powder go ahead.I have done it and will not put a black powder cartridge in any modern firearm unless it is easy to dissamble. the trap door is an easiest to clean I had 3 of them and fired black powder in them.. PS. I have done things dumb azzes like you only dream about. grin
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#6514576 - 05/18/12 03:36 AM Re: black powder for 30-30, 32 special or 35 remington [Re: Hubert]
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Originally Posted By: Hubert
you want to shoot black powder go ahead.I have done it and will not put a black powder cartridge in any modern firearm unless it is easy to dissamble. the trap door is an easiest to clean I had 3 of them and fired black powder in them.. PS. I have done things dumb azzes like you only dream about. grin


Good advise...blackpowder is a damm mess in a levergun.
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