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#6585767 - 06/11/12 02:01 PM Re: Stagflation - the Kenysian Kryptonite [Re: Dixie_Dude]
Roundup Offline
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Well I gues they could invest in real estate which might prop up real estate values and end for some folks "being under water." We're doing the same thing with our expenses. Being both retired and on a fixed income plus my wife and I working part-time we are keeping our heads above water-but just barely.
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#6585818 - 06/11/12 02:33 PM Re: Stagflation - the Kenysian Kryptonite [Re: Roundup]
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Originally Posted By: Roundup
Originally Posted By: Penguin
I agree but the reason the velocity has been slow is because it has been used to fill the black hole left by the housing bubble. It has in effect been extinguished.

The banks use the spread to limp toward solvency and the rest of us put up with a crappy economy while the central bank takes care of them. They have proven to be far too politically powerful to be allowed to be subject to the forces of capitalism that the rest of us face.

Eventually I believe we will have a large dose of inflation. And I agree that it will come from foreign currency being released into the market. The dollar as global currency reserve is on borrowed time. It allowed cheap energy but it also allowed the US to be stripped of its manufacturing base. The end of its regime will mean a reversing of this process but as of now there is no viable alternative. Eventually I think there will be several global currencies and the dollar will be one of them. But it is an extremely complicated process and there will be enough pain to go around and then some.

Hell it is happening around us as we speak and 90% of Americans still don't see it. A good many think reducing regulations or doing away with government unions will make us globally competitive, lol. This thing is so big that trimming around the edges won't even touch it. This is a total shakeup of the status quo. It has been going on for decades and isn't halfway done yet, not even close.

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I guess I'll ask a foolish question? Where is all this excess currency going to flow from? From what I can tell there are very few nations around with a currency "surplus". Are we going to lend them the money? Just askin'.


Currency today is X's and O's on a computer screen. Real currecny is king because there is so little of the real stuff out there.

I'd love to see Congress mint dollar and two dallar coins eventually working up to five, ten, and twenty dollar coins.
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#6585963 - 06/11/12 03:43 PM Re: Stagflation - the Kenysian Kryptonite [Re: Dixie_Dude]
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Originally Posted By: Dixie_Dude
Don't know about you guys, but we keep all our receipts. One year ago, we were paying 25% less on groceries. When Obama took office gasoline was $1.70/gallon, today it is over $3.

If they used 1980 methods to account for inflation, we have about a 12% inflation rate and 10% unemployment.

Current methods include the price of a new home, but no the price of groceries or gasoline. They say they are "too volitile" and "subject to seasonal changes". I say it is BS, because everyone has to have food and fuel to function in this society.
Of course it's BS. If they actually measured real price inflation, they'd have to pay out significantly more in benefits, which they will have to print up, thus triggering hyperinflation.
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