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I was curious about this carbine since seeing it a lot lately in news images.

It's an M16A1 rifle, barrel cut just aft of the gas port. Then a new gas port drilled at carbine length, FSB pinned, and carbine buttstock assembly.

So it's essentially a 13" barreled carbine with an A1 barrel profile, and a 1/12 twist. I'm assuming M193 is the issued ammo.


I'm sure a lot of you already knew this, but thought I'd share for anybody interested.
Posted By: gizzyman Re: IDF M16 Carbine (Menusar) - 10/11/23
I like the attack dog.

Release the Kraken! eek
I'm guessing rover is a sole survivor of a family in one of the kibbutz.
Thanks, it was interesting.
M193 ballistics from different barrel lengths,

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Posted By: JPro Re: IDF M16 Carbine (Menusar) - 10/11/23
Interesting. Sounds handy and light. I bet it doesn't take a lot to get a 3000fps 55gr FMJ to tumble in a target with that 1/12 twist.
I was thinking the same thing.
Originally Posted by gizzyman
I like the attack dog.

Release the Kraken! eek

attack dog=Hair Missile
Originally Posted by JPro
Interesting. Sounds handy and light. I bet it doesn't take a lot to get a 3000fps 55gr FMJ to tumble in a target with that 1/12 twist.


It'd sure deafen anybody close by.
Posted By: Tyrone Re: IDF M16 Carbine (Menusar) - 10/11/23
Looks like an XM177
Posted By: 79S Re: IDF M16 Carbine (Menusar) - 10/11/23
Originally Posted by Tyrone
Looks like an XM177

The armor bn I was in at Carson had them. I was wandering through COF went through bravo company area they were doing inventory and their they were 4 of them. Our bn cdr at command and staff meeting told them to turn them in Bradley crew would never use them again. Cool looking weapon.
Posted By: earlybrd Re: IDF M16 Carbine (Menusar) - 10/11/23
Looks handy
Originally Posted by JPro
Interesting. Sounds handy and light. I bet it doesn't take a lot to get a 3000fps 55gr FMJ to tumble in a target with that 1/12 twist.

Tumble they will, and that would be a major contributor to the M16’s lethality.

I have yet to grasp why people want to shorten barrels etc with the M16 platform. In the A1 form they were as good as needed.
Posted By: Jericho Re: IDF M16 Carbine (Menusar) - 10/11/23
When I was in FT Hood, TX in the early 90s I saw a couple of short M16s like the one pictured. They weren't stamped XM177 though
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen an optics mount like the one in the OP? It looks like it’s only attached to the front vertical post of the carry handle and that’s the only part that contacts the weapon. I can see daylight under the EOtech where it’s suspended over the hand guard….
Posted By: ruffcutt Re: IDF M16 Carbine (Menusar) - 10/11/23
I saw some footage on the BBC of a close up of empty brass on the street, ‘09 Lake City. Don’t know which side it was from but it was at the music festival site.
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
M193 ballistics from different barrel lengths,

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Pretty wild. Has to be effected by inconsistent mass produced ammo?
Yeah I would take those numbers as 'ball park' regarding consistency between lots, and mfgrs.
Posted By: JPro Re: IDF M16 Carbine (Menusar) - 10/11/23
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
Tumble they will, and that would be a major contributor to the M16’s lethality.

I have yet to grasp why people want to shorten barrels etc with the M16 platform. In the A1 form they were as good as needed.

Probably has to do with door-to-door urban fighting. I agree that a good 18-20" rifle-gassed lightweight rifle is a great performer otherwise with all that velocity. The classic joke about the rifle (vs. a shorty carbine) is that it effectively turns any ammo into duty-grade ammo.
Posted By: deflave Re: IDF M16 Carbine (Menusar) - 10/11/23
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen an optics mount like the one in the OP? It looks like it’s only attached to the front vertical post of the carry handle and that’s the only part that contacts the weapon. I can see daylight under the EOtech where it’s suspended over the hand guard….

Old Trijicon setup.

One of the original reflex type.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by JPro
Interesting. Sounds handy and light. I bet it doesn't take a lot to get a 3000fps 55gr FMJ to tumble in a target with that 1/12 twist.


It'd sure deafen anybody close by.

And that poor ole dog he’s holding. 🤪
It kind of impresses me that the IDF does what they do, with a primary weapon that a lot of AR 'experts' might consider totally obsolete.

Sometimes less is more........and sometimes less is less.

For the IDF and the envelope of their missions, maybe less IS more.
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by JPro
Interesting. Sounds handy and light. I bet it doesn't take a lot to get a 3000fps 55gr FMJ to tumble in a target with that 1/12 twist.


It'd sure deafen anybody close by.

And that poor ole dog he’s holding. 🤪

Poor little droggen, another innocent in all of this.
Posted By: deflave Re: IDF M16 Carbine (Menusar) - 10/11/23
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
It kind of impresses me that the IDF does what they do, with a primary weapon that a lot of AR 'experts' might consider totally obsolete.

Sometimes less is more........and sometimes less is less.

For the IDF and the envelope of their missions, maybe less IS more.

Only reason they stick to that setup was they got a great deal.

LOL
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
It kind of impresses me that the IDF does what they do, with a primary weapon that a lot of AR 'experts' might consider totally obsolete.

Sometimes less is more........and sometimes less is less.

For the IDF and the envelope of their missions, maybe less IS more.

Only reason they stick to that setup was they got a great deal.

LOL

Yeah they most likely got those M16A1 rifles for free.
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