When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
I saw it explained the other day that the 3rd temple will be built for the antichrist to desecrate. Then there will actually be a 4th temple built that Jesus will reign from on earth.
Jesus ended the sacrifices once and for all. If the Jews resurrect them, at best you could call them pagan rituals. God will likely be highly offended with them.
As far as an actual building, from what I've read, there's plenty of room on the temple mount for it without disturbing the Muslim Dome of the Rock. What archeologists believe to be the exact site of Harod's temple is currently vacant with the dome sitting away from it. However, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what the towel heads will do if they build it there. They'll be furious and will go to war to stop it.
The mount is the inner square. They believe the temple sat in the large open area at the top right.
Summary: It can't be totally ruled out but IMO, no.
One of the last times that was tried, fire came out of the ground and drove the workers away.
Jesus established the eternal, everlasting sacrifice of His body. Never again will animal sacrifice be the sacrifice desired by God, so there is no need for a Jewish temple.
The third temple will be the tribulation temple, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. Satan will sit in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God. The tribulation temple is also mentioned in Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15, and Revelation 11:1-2
The temple has to be built before the tribulation or in the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation. Scripture makes it clear that the temple is built.
Isaiah talks about the sacrificial system of the Mosaic Law that will be reinstated, Isaiah 66:1-6. The fact that the Jewish people will build this temple shows their failure to listen to God’s Word and come to Him by faith in Jesus (verse 4).
Isaiah spoke of the (third) temple as one not sanctioned by God. God wants Israel to return to Him in faith, not in the building of a structure.
The new temple will only end in judgment (verse 6) and not in the forgiveness of sins or acceptable worship. That the temple will be rebuilt is clear teaching of scripture.
Then another temple, the millennial temple will be built by God in the millennial kingdom. Ezekiel 40-Ezekiel 43 describes the physical facets of the millennial temple that will include an inner and outer court, an outer wall, and an altar…
Ezekiel also includes specific measurements and types of sacrifices. If the details were meaningless, Ezekiel wouldn’t have been instructed to write them down…
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
The question I would propose is where does God and Christ dwell? If the Temple and or Tabernacle is where they dwell then the question is the same as I proposed.
I think it was Nehemiah who was rebuilding the temple after the Babylonian captivity. His men worked with a spear in 1 hand and their tools in the other. A new temple on the mount will be built the same way.
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
The question I would propose is where does God and Christ dwell? If the Temple and or Tabernacle is where they dwell then the question is the same as I proposed.
You do not have to look for him.He dwells in you and all around you . No need for a building of stone and wood.
The Bible’s not gonna contradict itself. It makes sense to use the clear texts to shed light on passages that are harder to understand, like the old testament prophecies. Whatever the meaning of a prophecy turns out to be, it won’t contradict what other clear passages in the Bible plainly teach.
God’s revelation to us is cumulative…it grows and unfolds over time…it seems wise to use the parts that came later to better understand what came earlier. The OT authors didn’t know who the Messiah would turn out to be or when He would come. And no one before the prophet Jeremiah had any idea that God was gonna make a New Covenant.
So should we be using the things revealed in the New Testament to properly interpret the old testament…? The NT is not gonna contradict the OT, but it does help to explain it.
Honestly I did, but after decades of watching the modern state of Israel bilk the US out of billions of dollars, and play their games a la Epstein I don’t anymore. Let them figure it out. I hold no special place in my heart for the European Jews that settled the modern secular state of Israel. Same as I feel towards the Vatican.
I believe church is people, and not fixed to a place. A beautiful glade in the woods where you feel close to god? That’s church too.
The rest is nonsense looking to take you for a ride and steal from you.
Before the end, the Jews are going to wake up. In Rev, it talks about 144,000 Jews coming from all 12 tribes. It's been long debated whether this is a symbolic or actual number. Many Bible scholars think it means the entirely of the Jewish people. At any rate, there will be a bunch of them who wake up and realize that Jesus is the true messiah. They will be marked by God on the forehead, in contrast to those who have the mark of the beast, the evil one.
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
The question I would propose is where does God and Christ dwell? If the Temple and or Tabernacle is where they dwell then the question is the same as I proposed.
You do not have to look for him.He dwells in you and all around you . No need for a building of stone and wood.
Does it not say that God does NOT dwell Temples made by hands. So it does indicate that God does dwell in Temples and if it wasn't made by hands then what is it?
The Bible’s not gonna contradict itself. It makes sense to use the clear texts to shed light on passages that are harder to understand, like the old testament prophecies. Whatever the meaning of a prophecy turns out to be, it won’t contradict what other clear passages in the Bible plainly teach.
God’s revelation to us is cumulative…it grows and unfolds over time…it seems wise to use the parts that came later to better understand what came earlier. The OT authors didn’t know who the Messiah would turn out to be or when He would come. And no one before the prophet Jeremiah had any idea that God was gonna make a New Covenant.
So should we be using the things revealed in the New Testament to properly interpret the old testament…? The NT is not gonna contradict the OT, but it does help to explain it.
God and the Holy Spirit are spirits. They're omnipresent - they're everywhere at once. How does a spirit 'dwell' anywhere? He is where he is. When the Hebrews came out of Egypt, they'd spent 4 centuries in a polytheistic culture where there were gods of everything and they lived in various places. They knew only gods that had specific dwellings. It took them a long time to come to grips with a God who was pure spirit and who lived everywhere.
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
The question I would propose is where does God and Christ dwell? If the Temple and or Tabernacle is where they dwell then the question is the same as I proposed.
You do not have to look for him.He dwells in you and all around you . No need for a building of stone and wood.
Does it not say that God does NOT dwell Temples made by hands. So it does indicate that God does dwell in Temples and if it wasn't made by hands then what is it?
Honestly I did, but after decades of watching the modern state of Israel bilk the US out of billions of dollars, and play their games a la Epstein I don’t anymore. Let them figure it out. I hold no special place in my heart for the European Jews that settled the modern secular state of Israel. Same as I feel towards the Vatican.
I believe church is people, and not fixed to a place. A beautiful glade in the woods where you feel close to god? That’s church too.
The rest is nonsense looking to take you for a ride and steal from you.
Gen 12:1 Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."
Whether you like Jews or not, they're still God's chosen people. God says here that he will bless those who support them. The US has done so up to this point and we've been one of the great nations of the world. If (I should say 'when') we turn our backs on them, we'll have God's curse on us. People everywhere are turning away from Israel and look what's happening. Europe is falling to the Muslims and this country is corrupt and bowing to the deviants. Only bad will come out of this. Before the end, the entire world will be against Israel and this world will be ruled by Satan himself in the person of the anti-christ. He'll be short lived but entirely evil. Israel will stand alone...but God will fight for them and they will prevail, not as Jews but as Christians because they will recognize Jesus for who he really is.
Honestly I did, but after decades of watching the modern state of Israel bilk the US out of billions of dollars, and play their games a la Epstein I don’t anymore. Let them figure it out. I hold no special place in my heart for the European Jews that settled the modern secular state of Israel. Same as I feel towards the Vatican.
I believe church is people, and not fixed to a place. A beautiful glade in the woods where you feel close to god? That’s church too.
The rest is nonsense looking to take you for a ride and steal from you.
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The Church is Israel, and has nothing to do with a Middle Eastern nation-state of the same name.
And that’s where things perhaps get a little tricky.
In today’s world there is a nation-state named Israel that is occupying much of the geography that the Old Testament refers to as the promised land. So does this really mean that if we want God’s blessing, we have to support the modern nation-state of Israel and everything that they do…?
The New Testament makes it pretty clear that the Israel of God is NOT a modern nation-state and that it is NOT made up of the people who occupy it. The New Testament makes it pretty clear that the Israel of God is Jesus and ALL of those people who are united to Him by grace alone through faith alone.
Yes, it's tricky. We can't support sin and if what they do is sinful, we can't support that. As for their refusal to accept Christ, that's God's to deal with. He has a plan and it's not our place to interfere with that. Over the last 2000 years, the RCC has brutalized Jews and they will pay dearly for that. Some protestant churches have done the same, the Church of England in particular.
Yes, it's tricky. We can't support sin and if what they do is sinful, we can't support that. As for their refusal to accept Christ, that's God's to deal with. He has a plan and it's not our place to interfere with that. Over the last 2000 years, the RCC has brutalized Jews and they will pay dearly for that. Some protestant churches have done the same, the Church of England in particular.
You should investigate RCC teaching on the Jews and the history.
I don't believe current Judaism constitutes God's current chosen people. They were in the OT, but the New fulfilled the Old, and that fulfillment is that people of all nations constitute "God's people".
Personally, I'm not "anti-Jewish". I think the problems Christendom faced with them in the past should be dealt with legislatively in laws that apply to everyone. Of course, if anyone thinks that would look like "FREEDOM" or "MY RIGHTZ" or what the current American legal landscape looks like, they are *way* off base.
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
It will be rebuilt as the seat of The Beast, and nothing else.
There was once a Roman Emperor who was a filo-Semitic. He handed over to a Jewish architect unlimited financial backing to reconstruct the Temple in Jerusalem. He immediately went to work to rebuild it, but his workers kept getting incinerated by jets of fire that would blast from unknown sources underground. Eventually, all the workers quit over this, and the project was abandoned.
Yes, it's tricky. We can't support sin and if what they do is sinful, we can't support that. As for their refusal to accept Christ, that's God's to deal with. He has a plan and it's not our place to interfere with that. Over the last 2000 years, the RCC has brutalized Jews and they will pay dearly for that. Some protestant churches have done the same, the Church of England in particular.
You should investigate RCC teaching on the Jews and the history.
I don't believe current Judaism constitutes God's current chosen people. They were in the OT, but the New fulfilled the Old, and that fulfillment is that people of all nations constitute "God's people".
Personally, I'm not "anti-Jewish". I think the problems Christendom faced with them in the past should be dealt with legislatively in laws that apply to everyone. Of course, if anyone thinks that would look like "FREEDOM" or "MY RIGHTZ" or what the current American legal landscape looks like, they are *way* off base.
The regeneration of national Israel is the basis of the New Covenant, Jeremiah 31:31-34. God promised to forgive sins and restore fellowship to those who turned against Him.
Moses first alluded to the New Covenant in Deut 29:4. Moses foresaw Israel’s fall (in keeping the Old Covenant) but saw a time of Israel’s restoration, Deut 30:1-5.
Isaiah also prophesized the New Covenant and mentions Israel’s regeneration, Isaiah 29:22-24,30:18-20. God chose Israel from the very beginning and hasn’t abandoned or replaced His chosen people, contrary to popular belief, Isaiah 44:1-5: 44:21-23. Israel will be saved by God, Isaiah 45:17.
When God regenerates Israel, He will give His chosen people the heart to know Him (a regenerated heart), Jeremiah 24:7, Ezekiel 36:25-27, and the Jewish people will be pardoned, Jeremiah 50:19-20.
“I will give them one heart and a new spirit…they will be my people, and I will be their God.” Ezekiel 11:19-20 (Does that sound like the Jewish people have been replaced?)
The regeneration of Israel is also a predominant theme of the minor prophets. Israel’s hardening and blindness are temporary, not permanent, Romans 11:25-27.
God has a prophetic and covenant plan for Israel. The Church is not the new Israel, and the promises God made to Israel have not been transferred to the Church, at least according to scripture.
Jesus will reign over the house of Jacob (Israel) forever, Luke 1:33. This will be fulfillment of the Messianic prophesies to Israel. Jesus will rule Israel on earth from David’s throne in Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:9.
Incidentally, the RCC has distorted many Christian truths…
I think it was Nehemiah who was rebuilding the temple after the Babylonian captivity. His men worked with a spear in 1 hand and their tools in the other. A new temple on the mount will be built the same way.
We are approaching this point in the U.S. today. If you follow Keith Graves "Christian Warrior" news feed, the Feds (FBI?) have issued multiple alerts stating that terror attacks against churches in the U.S. are imminent. Federal alerts have been provided to multiple LE organizations. But, not to churches. Go figure.
There are already multiple individual attacks against Christian churches, Christian church goers, and on Christian church properties each week that go unreported, or grossly under reported by the Lame Stream Media. And if the perp is apprehended, very seldom any type of "hate crime" charge is leveled. If same happened against mosques or muslims, it would be front page news for multiple news cycles...
Yes, it's tricky. We can't support sin and if what they do is sinful, we can't support that. As for their refusal to accept Christ, that's God's to deal with. He has a plan and it's not our place to interfere with that. Over the last 2000 years, the RCC has brutalized Jews and they will pay dearly for that. Some protestant churches have done the same, the Church of England in particular.
You should investigate RCC teaching on the Jews and the history.
I don't believe current Judaism constitutes God's current chosen people. They were in the OT, but the New fulfilled the Old, and that fulfillment is that people of all nations constitute "God's people".
Personally, I'm not "anti-Jewish". I think the problems Christendom faced with them in the past should be dealt with legislatively in laws that apply to everyone. Of course, if anyone thinks that would look like "FREEDOM" or "MY RIGHTZ" or what the current American legal landscape looks like, they are *way* off base.
The regeneration of national Israel is the basis of the New Covenant, Jeremiah 31:31-34. God promised to forgive sins and restore fellowship to those who turned against Him.
Moses first alluded to the New Covenant in Deut 29:4. Moses foresaw Israel’s fall (in keeping the Old Covenant) but saw a time of Israel’s restoration, Deut 30:1-5.
Isaiah also prophesized the New Covenant and mentions Israel’s regeneration, Isaiah 29:22-24,30:18-20. God chose Israel from the very beginning and hasn’t abandoned or replaced His chosen people, contrary to popular belief, Isaiah 44:1-5: 44:21-23. Israel will be saved by God, Isaiah 45:17.
When God regenerates Israel, He will give His chosen people the heart to know Him (a regenerated heart), Jeremiah 24:7, Ezekiel 36:25-27, and the Jewish people will be pardoned, Jeremiah 50:19-20.
“I will give them one heart and a new spirit…they will be my people, and I will be their God.” Ezekiel 11:19-20 (Does that sound like the Jewish people have been replaced?)
The regeneration of Israel is also a predominant theme of the minor prophets. Israel’s hardening and blindness are temporary, not permanent, Romans 11:25-27.
God has a prophetic and covenant plan for Israel. The Church is not the new Israel, and the promises God made to Israel have not been transferred to the Church, at least according to scripture.
Jesus will reign over the house of Jacob (Israel) forever, Luke 1:33. This will be fulfillment of the Messianic prophesies to Israel. Jesus will rule Israel on earth from David’s throne in Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:9.
Incidentally, the RCC has distorted many Christian truths…
You are quoting OT stuff there. Most of it pertains to events like the restoration following the Babylonian Captivity.
Yes, it's tricky. We can't support sin and if what they do is sinful, we can't support that. As for their refusal to accept Christ, that's God's to deal with. He has a plan and it's not our place to interfere with that. Over the last 2000 years, the RCC has brutalized Jews and they will pay dearly for that. Some protestant churches have done the same, the Church of England in particular.
You should investigate RCC teaching on the Jews and the history.
I don't believe current Judaism constitutes God's current chosen people. They were in the OT, but the New fulfilled the Old, and that fulfillment is that people of all nations constitute "God's people".
Personally, I'm not "anti-Jewish". I think the problems Christendom faced with them in the past should be dealt with legislatively in laws that apply to everyone. Of course, if anyone thinks that would look like "FREEDOM" or "MY RIGHTZ" or what the current American legal landscape looks like, they are *way* off base.
The regeneration of national Israel is the basis of the New Covenant, Jeremiah 31:31-34. God promised to forgive sins and restore fellowship to those who turned against Him.
Moses first alluded to the New Covenant in Deut 29:4. Moses foresaw Israel’s fall (in keeping the Old Covenant) but saw a time of Israel’s restoration, Deut 30:1-5.
Isaiah also prophesized the New Covenant and mentions Israel’s regeneration, Isaiah 29:22-24,30:18-20. God chose Israel from the very beginning and hasn’t abandoned or replaced His chosen people, contrary to popular belief, Isaiah 44:1-5: 44:21-23. Israel will be saved by God, Isaiah 45:17.
When God regenerates Israel, He will give His chosen people the heart to know Him (a regenerated heart), Jeremiah 24:7, Ezekiel 36:25-27, and the Jewish people will be pardoned, Jeremiah 50:19-20.
“I will give them one heart and a new spirit…they will be my people, and I will be their God.” Ezekiel 11:19-20 (Does that sound like the Jewish people have been replaced?)
The regeneration of Israel is also a predominant theme of the minor prophets. Israel’s hardening and blindness are temporary, not permanent, Romans 11:25-27.
God has a prophetic and covenant plan for Israel. The Church is not the new Israel, and the promises God made to Israel have not been transferred to the Church, at least according to scripture.
Jesus will reign over the house of Jacob (Israel) forever, Luke 1:33. This will be fulfillment of the Messianic prophesies to Israel. Jesus will rule Israel on earth from David’s throne in Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:9.
Incidentally, the RCC has distorted many Christian truths…
You are quoting OT stuff there. Most of it pertains to events like the restoration following the Babylonian Captivity.
Re: Luke, the RCC is the new Isreal.
Romans 11 does a pretty good job of explaining that The Church did not take the place of Israel and never will.
In part...11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Don't forget what else Paul says. "In Romans 9:6 he says that “not all who are of Israel are Israel.” This indicates the existence of two Israels. One—”all who are of Israel”—indicates the ethnic people, not all of whom believe in Jesus. The other Israel, the context reveals, does not include those who have rejected the Messiah. This new Israel, founded by Messiah, exists in spiritual continuity with the Old Testament saints and so counts as a “spiritual Israel.” It includes Gentiles who believe in the Messiah and so through baptism are spiritually circumcised (Col. 2:11–12) and are reckoned as spiritual Jews (Rom. 2:26–29)."
And Ephesians 2:11–13, 19 “you Gentiles in the flesh . . . were [once] separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel . . . But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near . . . So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints”.
There was already a Temple to Jupiter built on Holy Mountain and there was already an equestrian statue of the Roman emperor placed on the site of the Holy of Holies. And in case your confused, Zeus/Jupiter is literally Satan as Pergamum was said to be the place of Satan’s throne by Paul. Pergamum had the largest and most visited temple to Zeus in the ancient world.
So, the son of god (the Roman emperor) already profaned the Holy Mount with a temple to his father, Jupiter (Satan), and place a statue of himself, the son of god, over the spot of the Holy of Holies in a city rebuilt and renamed as a tribute to Jupiter/Satan.
They've built these Satanic temples in key locations all over the world while you sleep
Look up the new modern but empty Capitol city in Kazakhstan called ASTANA
basically means SATANA in the Slav languages ... or SATAN ...
Masonic/Satanic symbolism in all the structures, do your own research and then tell me this city wasn't built for the Anti-Christ by the corrupted men that serve him
Pretty sure the 24 Hr Campfire resident Masons (blind, useful idiots) ie.. wanna be Satanists will stamp their feet and screech , then try to explain it all away as "coincidence"
There is no biggest fool in the world than the lower ranking Mason, these men are completey devoid of rational thought or knowledge of what they signed up for, It's better for them had they not been born
The Epistle to the Hebrews was written by a Jewish follower of Jesus to a primarily Jewish audience that was experiencing some friction for their faith in Jesus alone. Hebrews was written to encourage its readers to hold firmly to their faith by pointing out the superiority of Jesus alone over everything else that these Jewish believers might be tempted to put their faith in.
Whether they’re being tempted to put their faith in Moses, or the Law of Moses, of the Temple with its priests and sacrifices, etc., it’s all inferior to Jesus. The author is trying to get his readers to recognize and turn away from their desire to maybe compromise their faith in Jesus alone.
He’s arguing for the superiority of Jesus over Moses, the Law of Moses, and the Temple with its priests and sacrifices, etc.. And the reason he’s trying to convince them of the superiority of Jesus over those things, is because those are the very things that his readers are being tempted to drift toward. They’re drifting away from the Gospel of Jesus, and towards the Mosaic religious system they grew up under and were accustomed to.
Their unbelieving Jewish family and friends were giving them a hard time for wanting to follow Jesus alone. The Mosaic religious system wasn’t given because of its intrinsic value in and of itself. It was given to point towards Jesus. All of what was given under the Sinai Covenant was just a shadow of the things to come.
And now that Jesus has come, our focus has to be on Him and His Gospel. He’s greater than everything that came before Him. Jesus was the point of it all. Seems that some people nowadays still tend to get that priority out of whack.
Its real simple fellas. The Church is the Church, and Israel is Israel. Two things different are not the same. If you are confused about this don't feel bad. Even the Apostles didn't get it at first and the church as a whole has been screwing it up for 2000 years more or less. Most preachers do not properly use the Old Testament and add further to the confusion.
But don't stay confused. It leads to two big errors.
Error number 1......hating Jews. That's just ignorant. Don't get between God and the people to whom he has made "irrevocable" promises. They are a train wreck right now but let God handle them. Don't think that the church has taken their place. We haven't. The Jews are "his people". What is the church? The Bride of Christ right? We run around saying "Jesus is the Messiah", but what does that mean? It means Jesus is the King of Israel. What is the bride of a King. A queen right? What does a queen do? Sit beside her husband on a throne! That is what we are going to be doing in the Millennial Kingdom, which is going to be headquartered in Jerusalem. If you are Jew hater waiting on the Iraqis or the Russians, or the Chinese, or America or anyone else to destroy Israel......its gonna be a long wait.
Error number 2.........becoming a Judaizer. This is a Christian who tries to please God by attempting to observe parts of the Mosaic Law which they usually wind up completely half-assing to the point it would be funny if it were not sad. Observing dietary laws, putting on a shawl to pray, keeping the feast days, tithing because of Malachi 3, Jewish roots silliness etc. Don't do this either. Read Galatians. Don't fall from grace.
The Epistle to the Hebrews was written by a Jewish follower of Jesus to a primarily Jewish audience that was experiencing some friction for their faith in Jesus alone. Hebrews was written to encourage its readers to hold firmly to their faith by pointing out the superiority of Jesus alone over everything else that these Jewish believers might be tempted to put their faith in.
Whether they’re being tempted to put their faith in Moses, or the Law of Moses, of the Temple with its priests and sacrifices, etc., it’s all inferior to Jesus. The author is trying to get his readers to recognize and turn away from their desire to maybe compromise their faith in Jesus alone.
He’s arguing for the superiority of Jesus over Moses, the Law of Moses, and the Temple with its priests and sacrifices, etc.. And the reason he’s trying to convince them of the superiority of Jesus over those things, is because those are the very things that his readers are being tempted to drift toward. They’re drifting away from the Gospel of Jesus, and towards the Mosaic religious system they grew up under and were accustomed to.
Their unbelieving Jewish family and friends were giving them a hard time for wanting to follow Jesus alone. The Mosaic religious system wasn’t given because of its intrinsic value in and of itself. It was given to point towards Jesus. All of what was given under the Sinai Covenant was just a shadow of the things to come.
And now that Jesus has come, our focus has to be on Him and His Gospel. He’s greater than everything that came before Him. Jesus was the point of it all. Seems that some people nowadays still tend to get that priority out of whack.
Believers in Jesus through Paul’s gospel of grace have salvation by faith in Jesus’ death and resurrection. That shouldn’t minimize the fact that Israel is still God’s chosen people who have an earthly destiny. God made His covenants with Israel, and only God can initiate and fulfill those covenants. God will complete His covenant program with Israel, as per scripture. If God were done with Israel, then God would be a liar.
The regathering predicted by the prophets will be fulfilled. The Old Testament prophesies and promises haven’t yet been fulfilled; none of the covenants have been completely fulfilled; Israel hasn’t yet become a nation of priests; the kingdom on earth in which Israel will be pre-eminent is unfulfilled; Jews don’t have their King Messiah yet; all Israel is not yet saved; and God’s wrath on Israel, Jacob’s Trouble, hasn’t yet occurred.
Romans 11 makes it clear that God hasn’t cast Israel aside. Everything God promised Israel through the covenants will be fulfilled when Jesus returns to set up His kingdom. God will NEVER forsake the nation of Israel, and Israel will last forever. In addition, the Jews will be brought back to their land in accordance with God’s promises in the Abrahamic Covenant.
Don't get between God and the people to whom he has made "irrevocable" promises.
"There failed not aught of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass."
- Joshua 21:45
And that was written during the Bronze Age.
Now, he did make a promise to Abraham, i.e., to make his name great, and that a great nation would come from him. That nation today consists of all who believe in Christ.
Its real simple fellas. The Church is the Church, and Israel is Israel. Two things different are not the same. If you are confused about this don't feel bad. Even the Apostles didn't get it at first and the church as a whole has been screwing it up for 2000 years more or less. Most preachers do not properly use the Old Testament and add further to the confusion.
But don't stay confused. It leads to two big errors.
Error number 1......hating Jews. That's just ignorant. Don't get between God and the people to whom he has made "irrevocable" promises. They are a train wreck right now but let God handle them. Don't think that the church has taken their place. We haven't. The Jews are "his people". What is the church? The Bride of Christ right? We run around saying "Jesus is the Messiah", but what does that mean? It means Jesus is the King of Israel. What is the bride of a King. A queen right? What does a queen do? Sit beside her husband on a throne! That is what we are going to be doing in the Millennial Kingdom, which is going to be headquartered in Jerusalem. If you are Jew hater waiting on the Iraqis or the Russians, or the Chinese, or America or anyone else to destroy Israel......its gonna be a long wait.
Error number 2.........becoming a Judaizer. This is a Christian who tries to please God by attempting to observe parts of the Mosaic Law which they usually wind up completely half-assing to the point it would be funny if it were not sad. Observing dietary laws, putting on a shawl to pray, keeping the feast days, tithing because of Malachi 3, Jewish roots silliness etc. Don't do this either. Read Galatians. Don't fall from grace.
It would have been unthinkable for a Jew under the Mosaic Law to even consider approaching God’s throne of grace with confidence and freedom like Jesus’ followers can now. Not even the high priest back then did that. But then something tremendously significant happened.
There’s an issue regarding the prophecies about the future rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem: some people believe that followers of Jesus today still need to be keeping the Mosaic Law, and that issue has to do with God’s presence. In the Torah there’s a proximal aspect to holiness so that the closer you are to God’s presence the closer you are to His blessing. And the further you are from God’s presence the further you are from His blessing.
In the beginning we humans had direct access to God. Then we humans disobeyed God and messed it up and sin entered the world. And humans were cast out of God’s immediate presence. And later, through the family of Abraham, and through the giving of the Law of Moses at Mt. Sinai, God began restoring human access to His presence.
God’s presence was in the Tabernacle, but under the Law of Moses, direct access to God’s presence was highly regulated. People couldn’t just wander into it. Only one person in all of Israel was allowed in the Most Holy Place, and then only just once a year. This whole set-up kept people at a distance, and made it clear that the direct immediate access that people once had to God had not been restored.
The Tabernacle later became a permanent Temple in Jerusalem. And it had the same holiness hierarchy that the Tabernacle had: the further you went in, the more holy it got, and the more restrictive it became. But as Jesus hung on the cross, He uttered a loud cry and breathed His last breath, and the curtain of the Temple that allowed access to the Most Holy Place was torn in two from top to bottom.
At Jesus’ death, this hierarchy of access to God’s presence was literally demolished. This curtain…prescribed in the Law of Moses…was destroyed at the death of the Messiah, and it was God Himself who destroyed it. Under the New Covenant that Jesus brought in, individual followers of Jesus can now have direct and immediate access to God. People can now…with confidence and freedom…approach God’s throne of grace and receive mercy and find grace to help in their time of need (Hebrews 4:16).
It would have been unthinkable for a Jew under the Mosaic Law to even consider approaching God’s throne of grace with confidence and freedom like Jesus’ followers can now. Not even the high priest back then did that. But then something tremendously significant happened.
There’s an issue regarding the prophecies about the future rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem: some people believe that followers of Jesus today still need to be keeping the Mosaic Law, and that issue has to do with God’s presence. In the Torah there’s a proximal aspect to holiness so that the closer you are to God’s presence the closer you are to His blessing. And the further you are from God’s presence the further you are from His blessing.
In the beginning we humans had direct access to God. Then we humans disobeyed God and messed it up and sin entered the world. And humans were cast out of God’s immediate presence. And later, through the family of Abraham, and through the giving of the Law of Moses at Mt. Sinai, God began restoring human access to His presence.
God’s presence was in the Tabernacle, but under the Law of Moses, direct access to God’s presence was highly regulated. People couldn’t just wander into it. Only one person in all of Israel was allowed in the Most Holy Place, and then only just once a year. This whole set-up kept people at a distance, and made it clear that the direct immediate access that people once had to God had not been restored.
The Tabernacle later became a permanent Temple in Jerusalem. And it had the same holiness hierarchy that the Tabernacle had: the further you went in, the more holy it got, and the more restrictive it became. But as Jesus hung on the cross, He uttered a loud cry and breathed His last breath, and the curtain of the Temple that allowed access to the Most Holy Place was torn in two from top to bottom.
At Jesus’ death, this hierarchy of access to God’s presence was literally demolished. This curtain…prescribed in the Law of Moses…was destroyed at the death of the Messiah, and it was God Himself who destroyed it. Under the New Covenant that Jesus brought in, individual followers of Jesus can now have direct and immediate access to God. People can now…with confidence and freedom…approach God’s throne of grace and receive mercy and find grace to help in their time of need (Hebrews 4:16).
Honest question.
Pre-Jesus, what happened to all the folks who weren't lucky enough to be born a jew?
Honest question. Pre-Jesus, what happened to all the folks who weren't lucky enough to be born a jew?
That's a good question. Just because they weren’t Jews doesn’t mean that God didn’t care about the Gentiles. Not everything has been revealed to us, but there are a few things that are pretty clear.
We can see in the first chapter of Roman’s that all of mankind knows of God because God has shown them what may be known of Him. The witness of God in nature leaves mankind without excuse. But it is also clear that God had “shown” them other things by some type of revelation, in that they “exchanged the truth of God for a lie”. So God had some sort of interaction with them. Gentiles before the time of Jesus had the opportunity for salvation.
The Temple was still standing when Apostle Paul wrote, “there is neither Jew nor Gentile,” and, “for you are all one in Christ Jesus,” and, “if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring and heirs according to the promise.” Consider that. Jesus’ sacrifice removed the boundary that had been established by the Law of Moses and it restored people’s direct and immediate access to God Himself.
And then about 40 years after Jesus’ resurrection…after the New Covenant was begun…God allowed His Temple to be destroyed in Jerusalem. And it’s never been rebuilt since. So think about the trajectory of God’s story of redemption through history: He created humans who lived with Him until they messed up and disobeyed, and then they were cutoff from their direct and immediate access to God. But in His divine mercy God initiated this process for reconciling people to Himself.
Through the Tabernacle (under the Mosaic Law) that eventually became the Temple in Jerusalem, and then finally Jesus the Messiah came and restored our direct and immediate access to God. We maybe need to keep that in mind when we’re discussing the prophecies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, and whether or not they’re talking about a literal building.
Pre-Jesus, what happened to all the folks who weren't lucky enough to be born a jew?
Rom 8:29-30 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
This passage is commonly used to say who God calls to salvation but that 1st phrase is usually overlooked - 'those God foreknew'. God knows everyone of us from creation. He knows exactly what we will do and what choices we will make if choices are offered. He foreknows our every move. Even if we never hear about Jesus, God foreknows whether we would chose to believe him if we did hear about him. It's not predestination. With that, we have no choice in the matter. God makes the choice. We do have a choice even if it never comes up. God know exactly what your choice would be. If you get the call, then rest assured that if you hear of Jesus in this life, you will accept him. If God knows you will refuse, you won't get called. Jesus said that it's God's will that none should perish. He offers you a choice no matter who or where you are. You might never get to make the choice yourself but God knows what it would be. God wants you in heaven. No one who wants it will be turned away.
Gen 12:1 Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."
Whether you like Jews or not, they're still God's chosen people. God says here that he will bless those who support them. The US has done so up to this point and we've been one of the great nations of the world. If (I should say 'when') we turn our backs on them, we'll have God's curse on us. People everywhere are turning away from Israel and look what's happening. Europe is falling to the Muslims and this country is corrupt and bowing to the deviants. Only bad will come out of this. Before the end, the entire world will be against Israel and this world will be ruled by Satan himself in the person of the anti-christ. He'll be short lived but entirely evil. Israel will stand alone...but God will fight for them and they will prevail, not as Jews but as Christians because they will recognize Jesus for who he really is.
Jews comprised only a small portion of the Hebrew Tribes. Judah, Benjamin and half the Levites left the Tribes of Abraham, the Hebrews and formed the Southern Empire and they referred to themselves as Jews. The remaining Tribes of the Hebrews became the Northern Empire called Israel.
The Jews were taken over by Ancient Babylon and later the Tribes of Israel were taken over by the Assyrians and transported North East. Think, Aryan nations. After ages they worked their way to freedom and moved northward and over the Caucasus Mts and from there to the great western shore and compromised (?New) Iberia (Spain), Netherlands, Denmark (Mark of Dan), Ireland, Scotland, Sweden, Great Britain (contraction of Great Birth Nation). They became the Lost Tribes of Israel. They were lost to modern history, not lost to GOD.
The veil is being lifted and will reveal the Great Deception. There are two Israel's. One who GOD referred to when HE said "All of Israel will be saved" and the other Israel built by the Balfore Accords and Rothschilds.
Who was GOD referring to all those hundreds of years that existed before the nation state of Israel? Who was HE referring to in Gen 12:3 800, 500, 300, 100 years ago when there was no Nation of Israel? He was referring to HIS Believers. We Believers are HIS ISRAEL.
In Kings and Chronicles, the Bible lists all the kings of Israel. Right after Solomon died, Israel did the split with Judah and Benjamin becoming Judah and the rest becoming Israel. The Bible tells about every one of the kings in both kingdoms. In Judah, there were good kings and bad ones. Some were God fearing men while others were totally evil. In Israel, however, there was never a single Godly king. Every single one of them was an idol worshiping pagan. God sent the Assyrians to destroy Israel and they never recovered. The Assyrians left a handful of the people there but even after that, they never turned back to God. God later sent the Babylonians to deal with Judah and they, too, were hauled off into exile. However, a generation later they were allowed to return and most of them did turn back to God.
This all can be traced back to when Israel came out of Egypt. They were told to kill every single person in Canaan. The Canaanites were totally evil , sacrificing their children to fire gods. The Israelites failed to finish the job and left many Canaanites alive, along with their pagan gods. This failure to carry out God's orders haunted them from then on. Israel was never cleansed of the false gods that eventually led to their downfall.
It would have been unthinkable for a Jew under the Mosaic Law to even consider approaching God’s throne of grace with confidence and freedom like Jesus’ followers can now. Not even the high priest back then did that. But then something tremendously significant happened.
There’s an issue regarding the prophecies about the future rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem: some people believe that followers of Jesus today still need to be keeping the Mosaic Law, and that issue has to do with God’s presence. In the Torah there’s a proximal aspect to holiness so that the closer you are to God’s presence the closer you are to His blessing. And the further you are from God’s presence the further you are from His blessing.
In the beginning we humans had direct access to God. Then we humans disobeyed God and messed it up and sin entered the world. And humans were cast out of God’s immediate presence. And later, through the family of Abraham, and through the giving of the Law of Moses at Mt. Sinai, God began restoring human access to His presence.
God’s presence was in the Tabernacle, but under the Law of Moses, direct access to God’s presence was highly regulated. People couldn’t just wander into it. Only one person in all of Israel was allowed in the Most Holy Place, and then only just once a year. This whole set-up kept people at a distance, and made it clear that the direct immediate access that people once had to God had not been restored.
The Tabernacle later became a permanent Temple in Jerusalem. And it had the same holiness hierarchy that the Tabernacle had: the further you went in, the more holy it got, and the more restrictive it became. But as Jesus hung on the cross, He uttered a loud cry and breathed His last breath, and the curtain of the Temple that allowed access to the Most Holy Place was torn in two from top to bottom.
At Jesus’ death, this hierarchy of access to God’s presence was literally demolished. This curtain…prescribed in the Law of Moses…was destroyed at the death of the Messiah, and it was God Himself who destroyed it. Under the New Covenant that Jesus brought in, individual followers of Jesus can now have direct and immediate access to God. People can now…with confidence and freedom…approach God’s throne of grace and receive mercy and find grace to help in their time of need (Hebrews 4:16).
Honest question.
Pre-Jesus, what happened to all the folks who weren't lucky enough to be born a jew?
IF the temple is rebuilt, will the Aaronic Priesthood return???
Thats a good question too. The Law of Moses requires that all priests must come from the tribe of Levi. That’s why it was called the Levitical priesthood. The New Testament, however, teaches that Jesus is now our high priest. But He didn’t come from the tribe of Levi, Jesus is from the tribe of Judah.
So a high priest from the tribe of Judah is a “change” in the Law of Moses. Even though the Law of Moses clearly forbids changes, no adding to it and no taking away from it.
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
It will be rebuilt as the seat of The Beast, and nothing else.
There was once a Roman Emperor who was a filo-Semitic. He handed over to a Jewish architect unlimited financial backing to reconstruct the Temple in Jerusalem. He immediately went to work to rebuild it, but his workers kept getting incinerated by jets of fire that would blast from unknown sources underground. Eventually, all the workers quit over this, and the project was abandoned.
It wasn't yet time for the rule of Antichrist.
Maybe the building of the mosque marked the rule of an anti-Christ.
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
It will be rebuilt as the seat of The Beast, and nothing else.
There was once a Roman Emperor who was a filo-Semitic. He handed over to a Jewish architect unlimited financial backing to reconstruct the Temple in Jerusalem. He immediately went to work to rebuild it, but his workers kept getting incinerated by jets of fire that would blast from unknown sources underground. Eventually, all the workers quit over this, and the project was abandoned.
It wasn't yet time for the rule of Antichrist.
Maybe the building of the mosque marked the rule of an anti-Christ.
Satan won't try to replace a fake like Allah. He knows who the real God is and that's who he wants to replace.
Makes no difference. Red heifers, temples none of these things matter. The only thing that matters is accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. No one should be happy to see any events involving these things. We are to just be looking up for our redemption, our meeting of Jesus in the air.
Looking into it more, I think the Al Aqsa mosque might be the 3rd temple. It really is the seat of the/an anti-Christ, with Islam containing about 1/3 of the World's population.
Looking into it more, I think the Al Aqsa mosque might be the 3rd temple. It really is the seat of the/an anti-Christ, with Islam containing about 1/3 of the World's population.
There was a Roman temple to Jupiter built on the Temple Mount.
Who was Jupiter? Jupiter was what the Romans called the Greek God Zeus. Who did the Bible say Zeus was? Well, there is little about Zeus directly but in Revelation 2:13, Jesus addresses the church in Pergamum and says that they live where “…Satan has his throne.” What does that mean? Pergamum was home to the greatest temple to Zeus in the ancient world and the Pergamum altar can be see in Berlin today. So Zeus was Satan according to Jesus.
So there was already temple literally dedicated to Satan constructed upon the Temple Mount. Now what about the Abomination of Desolation. Several ancient sources tell us there was an equestrian statue of Emperor Hadrian erected on the Temple Mount and a few of them say it was on the site the Holy of Holies had occupied.
So, who was Hadrian. Hadrian was, of course the emperor and emperor’s were sort of generically divine. However, some scholarship suggest that a major part of Hadrian’s rule, particularly in the east was his heavy emphasis on his divine nature and the explicit promulgation of the official policy that he was the embodiment of Jupiter on earth. It’s unsurprisingly a little like the Pope to Catholics since the Catholic church is Roman in its ideas and structure but much stronger than how the Pope is taken still it wouldn’t be entirely wrong to say Hadrian was Jupiter’s vicar on earth. Who was Jupiter? Jesus said he was Satan. So Hadrian was Satan’s vicar on earth.
What was the Abomination of Desolation? Well, Daniel said it was a foreign king who “…established an an abomination that makes desolate.” Well, we’ve established that Hadrian establish a temple to Satan on the Temple Mount. That’s the abomination brought by the empire and Hadrian. Now, a famous quote from a barbarian conquered by the Romans went something like, “You Romans make a desert and call it peace.” And of course, the Romans had so completely destroyed Jerusalem that is was uninhabited for more than fifty years.
It just fits too neatly. Herod’s Temple was destroyed. Around 70 years later a Temple to Satan was built in it’s place by a man who considered himself thr sonnof and embodiment of Jupiter/Satan and claimed to rule in his name. And if you want to get real prophetic, this Temple to Satan was later destroyed when Christianity became the official religion of the empire and Christianity destroyed the pagan empire of Rome and converted it to Western Christendom.
IF the temple is rebuilt, will the Aaronic Priesthood return???
Thats a good question too. The Law of Moses requires that all priests must come from the tribe of Levi. That’s why it was called the Levitical priesthood. The New Testament, however, teaches that Jesus is now our high priest. But He didn’t come from the tribe of Levi, Jesus is from the tribe of Judah.
So a high priest from the tribe of Judah is a “change” in the Law of Moses. Even though the Law of Moses clearly forbids changes, no adding to it and no taking away from it.
So there are those nowadays who want to restore the ritual slaughter of animals in a Third Temple in Jerusalem to make themselves right with God ~ through external religious performance and works…?
So under the Law of Moses, the sacrifice of animals is required to atone for sin. But the New Testament manuscripts teach that Jesus was the sin offering, “once for all.” And now, “there is no longer any offering for sin.” So the Law of Moses requires a sin offering for sin. But the New Testament manuscripts say there is no longer any offering for sin.
The requirement under the Mosaic Law for the sacrifice of animals to atone for sin is gone. And it’s been gone for nearly 2000 years. It’s not only changed…which is forbidden by the Law…but it’s passed away. This fact alone completely undermines the ‘torahist’ theology. And it’s just one example of such from scripture.
So under the Law of Moses, the sacrifice of animals is required to atone for sin. But the New Testament manuscripts teach that Jesus was the sin offering, “once for all.” And now, “there is no longer any offering for sin.” So the Law of Moses requires a sin offering for sin. But the New Testament manuscripts say there is no longer any offering for sin.
The requirement under the Mosaic Law for the sacrifice of animals to atone for sin is gone. And it’s been gone for nearly 2000 years. It’s not only changed…which is forbidden by the Law…but it’s passed away. This fact alone completely undermines the ‘torahist’ theology. And it’s just one example of such from scripture.
There are an estimated 16 million Jews in the World. Can you imagine what it would be like to have even 1/16th of them descend on Jerusalem and each slaughter 1 lamb? The crowds and the sheer volume of blood would be unmanageable.
If the Mosaic Law is still in effect today, and the Law’s animal sacrifices to atone for sin were supposed to continue on even after the sin sacrifice of Jesus, then why did Jesus shed His blood on the cross…?
If the Law’s animal sacrifices are still required, then was Jesus’ blood ineffective and unnecessary…?
If you try to live by the law, you're require to live by ALL of it. You can't pick and choose. It's all or none. If you try to keep the dietary laws, you also have to keep all the sacrifices and everything else. If you do that, you have to reject Jesus' sacrifice as sufficient for all. Living by the law puts you under the curse.
Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."
Back to the 'abomination of desolation', what is it? Compare the gospels.
from Matthew 24: 15 "So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
from Mark 13: 14 "But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
from Luke 21: 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
These passages are all referring to the same event. Whether it's AD70 or the end times is highly debated but when put together, they say the abomination of desolation is armies surrounding Jerusalem.
If you try to live by the law, you're require to live by ALL of it. You can't pick and choose.
Why don't you go to Glennmadden.com and read all the 613 laws and you will see that it ain't that hard especially since there aren't any Levite priests around, leprosy isn't a problem, pooping too close to the camp is easy to avoid, you aren't a king keeping too many horses (or wives), hopefully you aren't having sex with your father's sister or brother or your step sister, hopefully you aren't a sodomite.
There are quite a few that pertain to today, such as eating pigs, excessive interest, kindness to strangers and aliens, stealing , adultery, lying in testimony, murder. You get the drift.
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
Physical temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem because Apostle Paul says very clearly that the Antichrist will sit in the temple and proclaim himself to be God. Antichrist will make a 7 year covenant with Israel and will allow them to rebuild a temple on the temple mount but Daniel states that in the midst of the 7 year covenant he will break the covenant. When he breaks the covenant with Israel he will lead the armies of the world to Israel to deal with Israel as a nation once and for all and to finally exterminate the Jews from the earth. In Zech 14 the prophet writes that all nations will gather against Jerusalem and two thirds of the Jews will be killed then Christ will come and His feet will stand on Mt of Olives just as the angel promised when Christ ascended into heaven. He will wipe out the armies of the nations, Antichrist and the False prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire, Satan will be imprisoned in the bottomless pit and Christ will establish his millennial kingdom for a thousand years. The temple will again be rebuilt according to Ezekiel. After thousand years Satan will be released for a short time in which time he will lead the nations again against Christ and Jerusalem but they will be wiped out and Satan will be cast into the lake of fire, then we see the Great White Throne and the last judgment. At this judgment present universe including this earth will be destroyed by fire and new heaven and earth are promised. According to John in the book of Revelation there is no need of the temple in the new creation. Since God and Christ will dwell with Their people there is no temple needed Rev 21:22 But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
Physical temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem because Apostle Paul says very clearly that the Antichrist will sit in the temple and proclaim himself to be God. Antichrist will make a 7 year covenant with Israel and will allow them to rebuild a temple on the temple mount but Daniel states that in the midst of the 7 year covenant he will break the covenant. When he breaks the covenant with Israel he will lead the armies of the world to Israel to deal with Israel as a nation once and for all and to finally exterminate the Jews from the earth. In Zech 14 the prophet writes that all nations will gather against Jerusalem and two thirds of the Jews will be killed then Christ will come and His feet will stand on Mt of Olives just as the angel promised when Christ ascended into heaven. He will wipe out the armies of the nations, Antichrist and the False prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire, Satan will be imprisoned in the bottomless pit and Christ will establish his millennial kingdom for a thousand years. The temple will again be rebuilt according to Ezekiel. After thousand years Satan will be released for a short time in which time he will lead the nations again against Christ and Jerusalem but they will be wiped out and Satan will be cast into the lake of fire, then we see the Great White Throne and the last judgment. At this judgment present universe including this earth will be destroyed by fire and new heaven and earth are promised. According to John in the book of Revelation there is no need of the temple in the new creation. Since God and Christ will dwell with Their people there is no temple needed Rev 21:22 But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
All the verses you think refer to modern day Jews, modern day Jerusalem, or the modern state of Israel, are to be interpreted as referring to Christians. The story of the Jews as an ethnic group, or what is understood today as their religion (grounded in the Talmud), identity, etc., is (post-crucifixion) over. There is no more Jew or Gentile in God's reckoning. Since Christ, there are only those who accept him and those who reject him.
Prior to the popularization of the Scofield Reference Bible, all Christians understood this.
If you try to live by the law, you're require to live by ALL of it. You can't pick and choose.
Why don't you go to Glennmadden.com and read all the 613 laws and you will see that it ain't that hard especially since there aren't any Levite priests around, leprosy isn't a problem, pooping too close to the camp is easy to avoid, you aren't a king keeping too many horses (or wives), hopefully you aren't having sex with your father's sister or brother or your step sister, hopefully you aren't a sodomite.
There are quite a few that pertain to today, such as eating pigs, excessive interest, kindness to strangers and aliens, stealing , adultery, lying in testimony, murder. You get the drift.
Also if I were to build an altar and burn a bull on it the neighbors would call the law.
If you try to live by the law, you're require to live by ALL of it. You can't pick and choose.
Why don't you go to Glennmadden.com and read all the 613 laws and you will see that it ain't that hard especially since there aren't any Levite priests around, leprosy isn't a problem, pooping too close to the camp is easy to avoid, you aren't a king keeping too many horses (or wives), hopefully you aren't having sex with your father's sister or brother or your step sister, hopefully you aren't a sodomite.
There are quite a few that pertain to today, such as eating pigs, excessive interest, kindness to strangers and aliens, stealing , adultery, lying in testimony, murder. You get the drift.
Ever look at a hot woman "lustfully", or get mad enough at an idiot to knock him in the head with a piece of rebar? Maybe I am the only one. But according to Jesus, those things are adultery and murder....two of the top 10 busted right there. That is straight out of Matthew......the only Hastings approved gospel.
"There is no more Jew or Gentile in God's reckoning. Since Christ, there are only those who accept him and those who reject him."
This is spoken regarding the Church, in the church there is no distinction between Jew and the Gentile. Presently God has set the Jews as a nation aside because they rejected Christ. Presently God is building His church from individuals of Gentiles and Jews, when the Church is completed then He will again begin to deal with Nations as well as the Nation of Israel Rom 10 and 11. During the tribulation period God is judging the nations and the great tribulation in the Old Testament is called "the time of Jacob's trouble". The Jews as a nation will finally accept Christ as their Messiah when they see Him coming to deliver them from the Antichrist and the armies of the world. They will recognize Him by the wounds of the cross and He will forgive their sins and they will again be His people. Zech 13 and 14
The Jews will have a great part in the Millennial kingdom of Christ as promised in the Old Testament. In the eternal state/new heaven and new earth there will be nations on the earth including the nation of Israel but the Church and Old Testament saints will have dwelling in the New Jerusalem which will be the center of the new universe. The foundations of the New Jerusalem have names of the 12 apostles who represent the Church and 12 gates of the city have names of the 12 tribes of Israel who represent Israel.
So some of you who believe modern Jews are the Jews of modern day need to explain a thing or two to me.
Are Jews in Israel and elsewhere, genetic Jews or religious Jews? What qualifies one to be a Jew today? If a guy converts to Judaism, which if you are a Christian you must consider a false religion, is he a “Jew” for your purposes and does he have special status with God over someone who converts to some other false religion?
And if it is genetic, can you identify the genetics of a Jew and what are they? Are Samaritans who converted en masse to Judaism before Christ Jews? What about Khazars? What about Ethiopians? Are all of these people genetically Jewish?
Does it only apply to Jews in Israel today or does it apply to the millions of Jews who live outside Israel?
And if you say it’s religion that makes a Jew, what religion? Is modern Judaism anything like Old Testament Judaism? Or is it even like the Jadaism at the time of Jesus? Heck, is it the same as Judaism was in the 10th century? And if it is religion, which strand of Judaism today? Orthodox or Reformed? Or maybe Kabbalic Judaism?
And if you say, none of this matters and God will know his own, the why are you so confident that the nation state of Israel are the Jews he means?
If you look at it logically, the only “Israel” that makes sense today and that can be clearly identified without jumping through hoops and making leaps in logic we can’t know, are Christians who are part “the Church” and followers of Christ. Otherwise, you’re saying followers of a false religion that is in no way like the religion of the Old Testament have special status with God or you are saying that genetics make a Jew when it is demonstrable that the genetics have been mixed with converts since the very start of religion.
"There is no more Jew or Gentile in God's reckoning. Since Christ, there are only those who accept him and those who reject him."
This is spoken regarding the Church, in the church there is no distinction between Jew and the Gentile. Presently God has set the Jews as a nation aside because they rejected Christ. Presently God is building His church from individuals of Gentiles and Jews, when the Church is completed then He will again begin to deal with Nations as well as the Nation of Israel Rom 10 and 11. During the tribulation period God is judging the nations and the great tribulation in the Old Testament is called "the time of Jacob's trouble". The Jews as a nation will finally accept Christ as their Messiah when they see Him coming to deliver them from the Antichrist and the armies of the world. They will recognize Him by the wounds of the cross and He will forgive their sins and they will again be His people. Zech 13 and 14
The Jews will have a great part in the Millennial kingdom of Christ as promised in the Old Testament. In the eternal state/new heaven and new earth there will be nations on the earth including the nation of Israel but the Church and Old Testament saints will have dwelling in the New Jerusalem which will be the center of the new universe. The foundations of the New Jerusalem have names of the 12 apostles who represent the Church and 12 gates of the city have names of the 12 tribes of Israel who represent Israel.
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
Physical temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem because Apostle Paul says very clearly that the Antichrist will sit in the temple and proclaim himself to be God. Antichrist will make a 7 year covenant with Israel and will allow them to rebuild a temple on the temple mount but Daniel states that in the midst of the 7 year covenant he will break the covenant. When he breaks the covenant with Israel he will lead the armies of the world to Israel to deal with Israel as a nation once and for all and to finally exterminate the Jews from the earth. In Zech 14 the prophet writes that all nations will gather against Jerusalem and two thirds of the Jews will be killed then Christ will come and His feet will stand on Mt of Olives just as the angel promised when Christ ascended into heaven. He will wipe out the armies of the nations, Antichrist and the False prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire, Satan will be imprisoned in the bottomless pit and Christ will establish his millennial kingdom for a thousand years. The temple will again be rebuilt according to Ezekiel. After thousand years Satan will be released for a short time in which time he will lead the nations again against Christ and Jerusalem but they will be wiped out and Satan will be cast into the lake of fire, then we see the Great White Throne and the last judgment. At this judgment present universe including this earth will be destroyed by fire and new heaven and earth are promised. According to John in the book of Revelation there is no need of the temple in the new creation. Since God and Christ will dwell with Their people there is no temple needed Rev 21:22 But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
All the verses you think refer to modern day Jews, modern day Jerusalem, or the modern state of Israel, are to be interpreted as referring to Christians. The story of the Jews as an ethnic group, or what is understood today as their religion (grounded in the Talmud), identity, etc., is (post-crucifixion) over. There is no more Jew or Gentile in God's reckoning. Since Christ, there are only those who accept him and those who reject him.
Prior to the popularization of the Scofield Reference Bible, all Christians understood this.
So some of you who believe modern Jews are the Jews of modern day need to explain a thing or two to me.
Are Jews in Israel and elsewhere, genetic Jews or religious Jews? What qualifies one to be a Jew today? If a guy converts to Judaism, which if you are a Christian you must consider a false religion, is he a “Jew” for your purposes and does he have special status with God over someone who converts to some other false religion?
And if it is genetic, can you identify the genetics of a Jew and what are they? Are Samaritans who converted en masse to Judaism before Christ Jews? What about Khazars? What about Ethiopians? Are all of these people genetically Jewish?
Does it only apply to Jews in Israel today or does it apply to the millions of Jews who live outside Israel?
And if you say it’s religion that makes a Jew, what religion? Is modern Judaism anything like Old Testament Judaism? Or is it even like the Jadaism at the time of Jesus? Heck, is it the same as Judaism was in the 10th century? And if it is religion, which strand of Judaism today? Orthodox or Reformed? Or maybe Kabbalic Judaism?
And if you say, none of this matters and God will know his own, the why are you so confident that the nation state of Israel are the Jews he means?
If you look at it logically, the only “Israel” that makes sense today and that can be clearly identified without jumping through hoops and making leaps in logic we can’t know, are Christians who are part “the Church” and followers of Christ. Otherwise, you’re saying followers of a false religion that is in no way like the religion of the Old Testament have special status with God or you are saying that genetics make a Jew when it is demonstrable that the genetics have been mixed with converts since the very start of religion.
You can’t follow the Law of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus at the same time. The Mosaic Law is incompatible with the Gospel of Jesus.
When the resurrected Jesus gave His great commission, He didn’t say, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations…teaching them to observe the law and the prophets.” No. In fact, nowhere did He command His disciples to teach the law and the prophets. And if things like eating kosher, keeping the sabbath, keeping the torah feasts, being circumcised, and sacrificing animals are supposed to play such a major role in our walk with Jesus, you’d think that Jesus or one of the New Testament writers would have mentioned it. But they didn’t.
In His parting words to guide His followers before ascending into heaven, the resurrected Jesus said, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations…teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.” And again, the resurrected Jesus nowhere commanded His disciples to teach people to observe the law and the prophets. He just didn’t. Jesus taught us a lotta things: to love God and love others, to avoid sexual immorality, theft, murder, coveting, wickedness, and all the rest.
In Mark 7, He said, “All these evil things come from within and they defile a person.” But He nowhere commands us to teach people to observe the law and the prophets. So it’s a pretty important distinction that Jesus didn't say, “If you love Me, you will keep the law and the prophets.” He said, “If you love Me, you will keep MY commandments.”
If you try to live by the law, you're require to live by ALL of it. You can't pick and choose.
Why don't you go to Glennmadden.com and read all the 613 laws and you will see that it ain't that hard especially since there aren't any Levite priests around, leprosy isn't a problem, pooping too close to the camp is easy to avoid, you aren't a king keeping too many horses (or wives), hopefully you aren't having sex with your father's sister or brother or your step sister, hopefully you aren't a sodomite.
There are quite a few that pertain to today, such as eating pigs, excessive interest, kindness to strangers and aliens, stealing , adultery, lying in testimony, murder. You get the drift.
Ever look at a hot woman "lustfully", or get mad enough at an idiot to knock him in the head with a piece of rebar? Maybe I am the only one. But according to Jesus, those things are adultery and murder....two of the top 10 busted right there. That is straight out of Matthew......the only Hastings approved gospel.
Of course I have, and so did King David, Moses, Saul, Nebuchadnezzar, the list of sinners receiving salvation is long and most of the names are lost to history. I have a sneaking suspicion that Paul may have repented but it just isn't recorded. Salvation comes through repentance. That hasn't changed.
If you look at it logically, the only “Israel” that makes sense today and that can be clearly identified without jumping through hoops and making leaps in logic we can’t know, are Christians who are part “the Church” and followers of Christ.
Romans Chapters 10 and 11 drops a thermonuclear bomb on that but go right ahead with whatever you are comfortable with.
When discussing the prophesies in scripture about the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, does it mean a literal building…? In scripture the Tabernacle and the Temple are symbols of God’s presence with His people, so in the final age when God is ruling over the new Heaven and the new earth, what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve…?
And what purpose might a rebuilt physical Temple serve before the final age (as in nowadays)…?
I think it will. People seem to try to twist things around so they can interpret them as prophesy already fulfilled. I think when prophesy is being fulfilled, there is no doubt, no ambiguity, and no need to get cute with rules and definition, it is so blatant it's just unmistakable. I think when it happens we're going to be surprised how straightforward it was .. y' might say miraculously so.
One of the angles to consider is that I think the location we ascribe to the temple mount is wrong. I think what we're calling the temple mount was actually the location of the Roman garrison. This was not a small outpost, there were somewhere in the ballpark of 10K Roman soldiers stationed there. The spot currently / mainstream-ly considered the garrison location simply is not big enough for that use .. but the spot we're calling the temple location is. I think that during the mostly-abandonment of Jerusalem, the understanding of the location of those two was accidentally reversed. IF that's the case .. I can't prove one way or the other .. then the correct location for the rebuilt Temple is already in non-Muslim hands, minimal construction on it, and available for rebuilding. Re-assessing the layout of historical Jerusalem should clarify the question but there seem to be some who don't want that done.
Anyway .. that's just one angle. Kinda of a "wish I had a V-8 moment" for historians and scoffers alike if correct.
Purpose? Well, a temple is a temple, so it probably would get used as a temple? Never been to a Jewish temple (or a Muslim whatever they call theirs) so I only have 2nd/3rd hand accounts of what they do there but I assume it's worship of a sort? Just guessing.
At the same time, the Second Coming could be .. this afternoon .. or it could be more than 10K years from now. We don't know. Jesus said he didn't know. Us playing numerology games and trying to lawyer our way through scripture looking for secret information Jesus didn't have seems a bit blasphemous and trying to tell people we found it somewhat narcissistic. The proof of faith is faith, not discerning secret clues. Sit back, walk in your faith if you have it, and .. trust. No point in over-complicating stuff.
If you look at it logically, the only “Israel” that makes sense today and that can be clearly identified without jumping through hoops and making leaps in logic we can’t know, are Christians who are part “the Church” and followers of Christ.
Romans Chapters 10 and 11 drops a thermonuclear bomb on that but go right ahead with whatever you are comfortable with.
Not really. Romans 10 and 11 doesn’t do anything to identify Israel today. You can’t do it genetically or religiously. The current Jews in Israel follow neither the religion of the Old Testament nor are they necessarily descended from the Patriarchs.
I personally think that God may have predestined all of those descended from the patriarchs to eventually be saved at some point, but that has little to do with the nation state of Israel today and it is as likely to apply to some redneck Alabama who has no idea of his bloodlines as to some alleged Jew living in Israel.
I personally think that God may have predestined all of those descended from the patriarchs to eventually be saved at some point, but that has little to do with the nation state of Israel today and it is as likely to apply to some redneck Alabama who has no idea of his bloodlines as to some alleged Jew living in Israel.
My DNA test by Ancestry.com says I have some small amount of Jewish genetics. Didn't say what tribe. Otherwise it's all Scot, English, Norse, and central European. I am a Louisiana redneck Judaizer that attends a Baptist church.
I personally think that God may have predestined all of those descended from the patriarchs to eventually be saved at some point, but that has little to do with the nation state of Israel today and it is as likely to apply to some redneck Alabama who has no idea of his bloodlines as to some alleged Jew living in Israel.
My DNA test by Ancestry.com says I have some small amount of Jewish genetics. Didn't say what tribe. Otherwise it's all Scot, English, Norse, and central European. I am a Louisiana redneck Judaizer that attends a Baptist church.
Two things I know... 1) I am placing my trust in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. 2) I am placing my trust in Jesus Christ to sort out this mess (our world) in His time.
I personally think that God may have predestined all of those descended from the patriarchs to eventually be saved at some point, but that has little to do with the nation state of Israel today and it is as likely to apply to some redneck Alabama who has no idea of his bloodlines as to some alleged Jew living in Israel.
I am a Louisiana redneck Judaizer that attends a Baptist church.
That is an astounding level of cognitive dissonance.
Hebrews is clear on this question; Jesus is the reality toward which the types & shadows of the OT (including the temple itself) pointed.
God will not go back to types and shadows now that we have the real thing.
Again, Hebrews makes this crystal clear. It is premillennial dispensationalism which prioritized eschatology over ecclesiology and necessitated a denial of this clear didactic message of the text.
I personally think that God may have predestined all of those descended from the patriarchs to eventually be saved at some point, but that has little to do with the nation state of Israel today and it is as likely to apply to some redneck Alabama who has no idea of his bloodlines as to some alleged Jew living in Israel.
My DNA test by Ancestry.com says I have some small amount of Jewish genetics. Didn't say what tribe. Otherwise it's all Scot, English, Norse, and central European. I am a Louisiana redneck Judaizer that attends a Baptist church.
There aren’t any special Jewish genetic markers.
Hopefully not, otherwise Jesus Christ would have been part Canaanite and thus not Jewish.
I personally think that God may have predestined all of those descended from the patriarchs to eventually be saved at some point, but that has little to do with the nation state of Israel today and it is as likely to apply to some redneck Alabama who has no idea of his bloodlines as to some alleged Jew living in Israel.
I am a Louisiana redneck Judaizer that attends a Baptist church.
That is an astounding level of cognitive dissonance.
Well I did take the advice that one of the Gentilizers on this forum gave me. I resigned my membership and my office of deacon. I still go hoping to straighten out some misinformation as I see it, but only if I'm asked. If the sermon discussion turns to Hebrews or the "letters" I just open my bible and read something else.
My beautiful wife likes to go and she and 4 other ladies sing for us for about 30 minutes prior to the sermon. There are several NA members of the Butte tribe Of Bayou Bourbeaux that attend with us. It serves as a social function in the rural neighborhood and an opportunity to witness but I'm not pushy with it.
I personally think that God may have predestined all of those descended from the patriarchs to eventually be saved at some point, but that has little to do with the nation state of Israel today and it is as likely to apply to some redneck Alabama who has no idea of his bloodlines as to some alleged Jew living in Israel.
I am a Louisiana redneck Judaizer that attends a Baptist church.
That is an astounding level of cognitive dissonance.
I personally think that God may have predestined all of those descended from the patriarchs to eventually be saved at some point, but that has little to do with the nation state of Israel today and it is as likely to apply to some redneck Alabama who has no idea of his bloodlines as to some alleged Jew living in Israel.
My DNA test by Ancestry.com says I have some small amount of Jewish genetics. Didn't say what tribe. Otherwise it's all Scot, English, Norse, and central European. I am a Louisiana redneck Judaizer that attends a Baptist church.
There aren’t any special Jewish genetic markers.
Hopefully not, otherwise Jesus Christ would have been part Canaanite and thus not Jewish.
There are no genetic differences between Jews and other peoples in rhe area. Jesus was not required to be a Jew. He was required to be descended from David.
I did notice they removed that notation the last time I looked and they have adjusted some of the other percentages from the original.
But I'll bet that God knows where the lost tribes are. They aren't lost to Him.
It's no mystery. The northern kingdom simply abandoned Hebrew identity, and adopted the identity of the locals they lived amongst, intermarrying, and adopting their culture and religion. They're gone.
I personally think that God may have predestined all of those descended from the patriarchs to eventually be saved at some point.
Contradictory to the whole tenor of the New Testament. Salvation is by faith.
Predestination does not mean there is no faith. It means instead that one is predestined to have the required faith.
So, what about the untold hundreds of thousands (millions, actually) of Jews who died joining their wills with those responsible for our Lord's crucifixion? You said all.
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