Contemplating a new scope for my 308
Not a competition shooter ! Not a long range Shooter ! Just used at the local range .
Looking at budget scopes and read alot of posts here by those impressed with Burris Fullfield 3-9 x40 .
Where are all the Vortex Crossfire II fans ? Wondering what the preferences are.
Part 2 - Trouble seeing bullet holes on 50 yard targets with 308 & .22. Will splatter target and my old
7x50 Herters monocular be enough at 100 yds or should I invest in a more powerful / modern monocular ?

Grab one while they’re cheap: https://a.co/d/7Z9QNw8

Lower-end Vortex is usually pretty chintzy.

For optics I’d recommend one of them modern double-barreled monoculars.

Fullfield all day over a low end vortex.

Thanks guys ,
No responses after nearly 24 hours . I was about to lose hope ( Wah ! )
Will now have to see which one my wife recommends .
My also old Redfield Widefield 4x just doesn't seem very bright compared the my .22 scope ( BSA sweet 22 )
Really like that cheap little BSA scope.
Also have double barrel monocular but hoping the splatter targets will help.
If not, have my eye on a Konus Small 3 Monocular ( 8-24 x 40 mm )

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THIS...in spades.

Burris all the way!!!

I'd take a Burris FF-II over anything else priced under $400 including Leupold, and you can often find them under $150. That is only the FF-II. The newer FF-IV doesn't impress me all that much.

They are still $104 on Amazon.

I agree. I've had good luck with FF II's.

I have a Vortex crossfire crossbow scope that works as it should. The optics are surprisingly good. I'd say right there in the same neighborhood with my Leupold VX-1's, Nikon Pro-Staff's and Bushnell Elite 3200's. I also have a 2-7x32 Crossfire rimfire scope on a .22. Judging by the dime sized 50 yard groups I get with it and the fact that it holds zero after bouncing around in the rack on my quad, I'd say it works as it's supposed to as well. They both have those blasted fast focus eye pieces that I don't care for but at least they don't have the retarded ocular bell power change of the Burris.

I haven't been impressed with low end Vortex, FF-II's and E1's are gtg (if you like the reticles).

I have both, The Burris FF-II wins. I would not buy another Vortex crossfire.

Last year I bought a 4.5-14 for a loaner rifle. It will not hold zero and the finish rubbed off on a very soft pack. Burris did send me a prepaid shipping label
Better than Leupold did on a VX6 that puked the first hunt and now needs to go back because a ham handed tech over tightened a turret and gouged it and left a paralex dial sloppy. Going back on my dime. Guess what brands of scopes I wont be buying anymore.
Oh and many years ago I had a Burris FF go back 3. Wouldnt replace it just told me it was fixed and it wasn’t. Not tried it since.
My Swaro El 10x42 are going back also. Double image, very little travel to adjust for my eyes and the rubber adjustment knob is separating. In contrast my old Zeiss 10x40’s (2 pair) keep going just fine

Vortex can have clear glass and perform well for the price but there is a reason Cameraland doesn't sell them anymore. I seem to remember Doug telling me he had several people working full time to process all of the Vortex returns his customers brought him, and finally they dropped the whole line.

If you don't want to take the chance you'll get a lemon, stick with Burris - a LOT of experienced Campfire members have.

Crossfire are Chinese. The Fullfield IV are Chinese.

Fullfield II and Droptine are Philippine. If that matters to you

Bought a few FFII's for myself and helped others buy many. Latest purchase for S-I-L was the Droptine and I may like it even better- and it doesn't have the funky eye piece that bothers some on the FF2. Last scope I bought for myself is a vx-Freedom which I picked over a Burris because I love the #4 reticle- but at twice the cost I don't consider it an initially better scope. Did some low light viewing but yet to compare directly in hunting situations. The Burris Ballistic Plex reticle is a good one.

I own a Vortex Crossfire 2-7x32 Rimfire that used to be on my CZ 457 .22LR and our camp rifle is a 7mm-08 with a Fullfield 3-9x40. Not completely apples to apples, but it’s a data point. To me, the Vortex is a fine scope for what I paid for it, but for your .308 I’d go with the Fullfield over the Crossfire every time.

Thanks to all who replied You folks raised so many valid considerations. I'm not an impulsive buyer ( normally ) and like to research and
think about things. After reading all the replies it was clear. Fullfield II arrived today. Hoping that with splatter targets and 9x power
I can now see bullet impacts from the shooting bench at 100 yds.
Just the next step in my project to have accurate reduced recoil 308 loads . More to follow in the reloading forum.

For me, Burris all the way. Question: Does Burris still have the Fullfield with the tried and true Duplex reticle instead of Ballistic Plex?

Not much love for the Commie (Vortex) scope

Pretty sure the Fullfield II was made in the Phillipines . Think Beretta has moved production of newer Fullfield IV to China.
Fullfield II is now discontinued

This has been posted before. Confirmed?

EDIT- just saw the post on the BUrris site. Confirmed.

As mathman stated ^^^^^^^crossfire is a piece of junk! Wouldn't even use it on a pellet gun!

Wrong answer.

I put one on a springer to kill it.

It worked as planned. 😁

I've heard this for years but I hear a lot of bullshyt from retards online evaluating the performance of everything from tires to toasters so I had to see for myself. Time will tell but so far so good with both my Crossfire Crossbow scope and my Crossfire rimfire scope. The crossbow scope has been shot alot {for a crossbow} over the last 3 years. It holds zero, the speed compensation is right on the money, it has guided my bolts to cleanly kill 4 deer and has simply peformed admirably in every way. No Burris with that fugged up ocular bell power change will ever ride on one of my rifles.

Too bad that Burris or Vortex,has yet to make a scope worth a fhuqk. Hint...............

Blackheart - same can be said for those who never used a Fullfield 2 but complain about the ocular when folks using them usually end up considering it a non issue. You can get a newer E1 or Droptine and avoid that feature and have something non-Chinese, at least as good- most here say better- for same price or less.

I require all my scopes have flip up lens covers. Burris's retarded rotating ocular doesn't accomodate so that is an issue for me. I also have no use for their ballistic plex reticle. I wanted a small 32mm objective scope at an economical price point and choices are few since every dumbass out there apparently thinks their little .22 needs at least a 40 mm objective and plenty of magnification. So far the Vortex is working fine, is optically superior to and has a better reticle for squirrel hunting than the Sightron S-1 that I ended up sending back. The majority of my scopes are American, Japanese or philippine manufactured but if an optics company doesn't offer an American, Japanese or philippine scope that meets my desired specifications, I'll take my business where I have to in order to get what I want.

As long as you're happy - it is just preference. I actually hate the flip up scope covers so- to each his own.

Full disclosure on my part I actually own one Chinese scope. A Hawke 2-7 I put on my Ruger 10/22 and it has been more than I should expect for the price. Afterwards I felt I sold out and wouldn't do Chinese again- but that is just me. Last scope was a Leupold that I paid twice as much for as a Burris I might recommend (and recently did) but I wanted the #4 reticle. It reluctantly replaces an older Burris 6x40 with a #4- no good reason to replace it other than completing my move from fixed 6x scopes to variables. Enjoy.

Until I bought a Burriis Fullfield II a couple of years ago I had bought Leupolds since back in the 80s. I just bought another Fullfield II for either the next rifle I get or to put on one I've already got. Hard to believe you can get a scope this good today for $104.

Burris Fullfield E1 won't stand up to a springer airgun. I used one on my Diana RWS Model 34 and after about 25 shots it was about a foot off target at about 75 feet. It had noticably wandered off target by the third shot. Now it won't even hold zero on a Marlin Model 60.

I've got a Hawke Airmax 4-12 AO on my Diana now and it has maintained zero for well over 1,000 rounds.

How do you like that Diana 34?

Honestly Vortex leaves me wanting more, always. Just not impressed ever. Fullfield on the other hand, I can always get behind. For the same money, its not a question.

It shoots minute of rat and starling at 180 feet. It's adequte to regularly dispatch bird feeder raiders on a near daily basis. I keep it by the window in my office. It's got thousands of rounds through it and except for lubing it and occassionally pulling a patch through the barrel, it just rocks on. Great gun.

I have both. FF-II is better glass and overall better optic. Burris also has reticle with some hold overs that you could work out for your caliber of choice.

The FFII is really good. Had a few since they came out, the 90's probably. Mine have never given me any trouble at all. I was surprised to see them on Amazon. You're gonna shoot targets get the 4.5-14, nice to have the extra power and only about $20 more, you can't go wrong.

They are all EPIC pieces of fhuqking schit. Hint.................

is the E1 rated for Air rifle? some very high end scope or not and can be crashed on air gun reasonably fast also. where as your Hawke you mentioned that's precisely about that model was made.

As evidenced by some video you posted, so is your DNA

Suckett,

I'm VERY "surprised" that your vicarious "living",has you nipping my heels...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

For context,simply cite how many times a day you think about me and the "typical" durations of same. HINT.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Nothing you do or post is gonna make it any bigger. Hint. Congratulations?

Suckett,

What am I wearing,as you spend all that time thinking about me...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

It is a HILARIOUSLY fascinating constant,that the only thing you can bring an Outdoor Forum,are your Homoerotic Fantasies. Slow day here,only (1) new rifle thus far. Hint.



Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

P.S. and by the way...do NOT "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery. HINT.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

My FFIIs say Made in USA on the eyepiece. I have 3 of them,4.5-14, all from whenever they came out. They'rel on truck /window guns that have been banged around (not thrown around) for years. Never lost zero with any of them, and that reticle with very small elevation hashmarks is a bonus. These have worked really well and are a great bargain at that Amazon price.

How/where do you Drooling Fhuqktards,DREAM this schit up? The reticle is a SFP Goat Fhuqk and they wander more than a Mad Woman,going to take a schit. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Don't mind the miserable gnome. Try as he may, he can never buy what many others have and he clearly will never have. Hint.

He fantacizes about everyone thinking of him, which they never do, cept maybe right before they flush the toilet. However, he has multiple files for endless cut and paste of many here.

Little liar Larry can't even keep his facts straight. Just ask every other forum he was banned from and sent packing.

Farqueen laughing.

Not being a wiseass but is your scope properly focused? Maybe you don't even need a new scope.

KenBitchAgain,

Pardon my simply shooting it all and then some,as you set mired being you,on the sidelines of Life...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.










As close as you've ever been to being Outdoors,is your being glued to my EVERY word and Splendid Pixel,from your couchbound Kchunt. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

Fullfields used to be made in USA but they moved production to Philippines on them some time around 2000- I can't find an exact date although Burris was bought by Beretta in 2002 so... ? ? ?
They recently discontinued the Fullfield ii's.

Burris is still making Droptines and E1's in the Philippines.

I have 2 Fullfield11s and they are decent as anything for a 110 dollar scope.

Yet they are better or comparable to $4-500 scopes. They are a no frills geter done hunting scope. They work well enough when developing loads, shooting steel out to 500 yards, and dropping critters. This is the ballistic plex model, not the regular duplex model. Don’t have fascinations about dialing these scopes, as they are not designed for that type of use. However, after extensive testing of the ballistic plex model, they have a very useable reticle that works very well for what I described. I trust them far more than some newer and more expensive Leupold rifle scopes. Those that have not tried them or really rung them out the way they were intended, are missing out. For a 13oz scope, they can’t be beat for the money.

I agree with your assessment of the Burris FF II's. A very solid scope for very little money. One of the real bargains out there in the shooting world.

I changed a hunting buddy’s scope for he & his daughter laser elk season. Replaced a crappy old Vortex & foggy old Leupold with 4.5-14X Burris FFII less than $150 on Amazon. He made a 1 shot kill on a decent buck at 367 yards & she killed her 1st elk after 10 years of hunting a small bull.

He was unbelievably happy about the difference in the performance of their rifles. I used the Burris app and made him a drop chart with the right setting for his 300 - worked flawlessly.

I actually just got a Crossfire II and like it. The reticle doesn't suck, and with a 40 yards zero, the second focal plane reticle dialed in easily to my arrow speed putting me nuts on at 20,30, and 50.

That's the one I have and like I said, it works as it should.