Whatda think? Fish & game departments, state tourism departments etc for running shows, YouTube videos?

I sure hope not.

I don't know why they would. There really aren't any secrets. People know Iowa or Kansas or Buff County WI have monster deer - why would they compensate a hunting show (at the state level) to let others know what people already know?

Of what value is the youtuber to the state conservation agency?

Now those dumb Game Warden TV shows - I bet they do. I mean it's "good will" explaining what GW's do to protect wildlife to people who might not interact with them but I'm guessing only 2 people watch hunting on youtube - hunters who already know and anti-hunters ready to pounce in the comments. Don't see the DNR getting much value out of that.

I would bet probably so.

Teal, think of the license/application fees they collect. Dunno if you hunt the western states or not, most states make you purchase the license prior to applying, then bonus point fees. These “how to” shows have laid into right in folks laps. Ask firstcoueswas80” about the affects. Look at Montana, New Mexico, Idaho. Record amounts of applications.

Those youtube sensations that pimp out public lands should pay a $10 k video permit to exploit our public lands. Obtained from the state's fish and game offices. good for 7 days. The proceeds used for conservation and predator control and to fight anti hunting groups

Jud, quit dancing. You're talking about the Randy Newberg rumor. Rumor is he got large sums of money for this. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...rizona-coues-quail-javelina#Post13528801. The dollar amount in the rumor will make your head spin. Surely its not true, but neither would it surprise me if true.

Randy could easily set the record straight. Maybe he will chime in. If he doesn't, I am even more suspicious.

10k? That's only fractions of the $ in play rumor has it but it's a very strong rumor...

If AZGFD used funds raised by hunters or tax dollars and paid people to promote AZ public lands?

If true goes to show how corrupt and what a joke he is. It wouldn’t surprise me. Love to learn the truth

Scratch that, let's call it what it is. It's no rumor.

AZGFD, whom I pay large amounts of money to annually, paid YouTube and hunting personalities to come to AZ and film hunting shows. So, I actually am supporting my hunting being literally taken away via a govenment agency with zero say in the matter other than to not hunt or fish in my home state.

This, along with countless other issues, draw process, overcharging CC's, I could go on for hours of the things that happen every draw cycle, is why my state's game management system is literally the laughing stock of the entire west. It's sickening and embarrassing.

Greg, you are On your Own. This is as Real as it Gets. Randy Newberg (Sellout) Hunter leaving Fresh Tracks to a unit near you!

I remember Randy claiming his show didn't affect hunter traffic or draw odds in the AZ unit where he was hunting. Now we know he was paid to do exactly that. Sad.

Jay Scott podcast 552.784 with Chris Roe. Go to the 1:15 mark. Jay Scott blisters them, to my surprise (them = those groups in Randy's AZ series). Good for him.

Is it 80k annually Randy or thus far for a few years "work"?

Jay didn't get into amounts. But Jay said if he got paid and hunts were cancelled he'd give the money back.

holy phug. You should join BHA, Buzzy says they fight for hunters' rights.

Holee $-__&$#_....

I'll listen in AM on the road.. .

Newberg may or may not have a good time in AZ next year once the public hears this....

https://www.coueswhitetail.com/forums/topic/102291-azgfd-paying-youtubers/

Everyone knows where he hunts and where he stays. It's broadcast all over the place and come to find out, on purpose.

And AZGFD banning trail cameras was because of violence?

I'm literally shaking my head.....

Randy should return the money. Hunts are now being cancelled thanks to him.....

Called them hypocrites.

Im going to try emailing AZ fish and Game regarding this. If they don't respond try a FOIA request.

Ive giving them thousands of dollars over the years .

Good luck on the FOIA. I'll try it again along with 10k other people....

https://jayscottoutdoors.podbean.com/

Episode with Chris Roe....

These people need from be held accountable. They make $ off their platforms. Let them know we know. Might happen to you next....

Randy's promoting public lands and access to all, while taking it away at the same time. Makes sense in today's world..

Wow!! I wonder how much others that participated got paid. This is flat out ridiculous. Pay people to promote hunting in AZ and more specifically OTC archery and then a few years later they close 27 units that were OTC because the success rate got to high.

Maybe "archery" hunters that are killing chit at 100+ yards with their mechanical dowel flinging devices need to reconsider how they're impacting those high success rates.

Maybe time to get back to the basics of what archery was intended to be...a 20-30 yard endeavor with 2 sticks and a g-damn string.

I fully agree that archery hunters shooting 100+ yards isn’t a good thing and may have a slight increase in overall success and probably wounded animals also. This isn’t why those hunts were changed from OTC though. You know as well as I do there has been a massive increase in popularity of the AZ OTC hunts in recent years. Many social media hunters have videos promoting the OTC hunts.

Maybe BHA should stop trying to get guns banned and stop promoting an anti hunting and self admitted violent eco terrorist to run BLM.


Didn't your social media hunting pro /hero take a questionable 500 yard shot a moose on his show? Your hypocrisy is amusing. Anything to make a buck.

I miss you posting biased wolf studies funded by anti hunting groups buzz

Smoked you out like a bug here and on coueswhitetail.com making your PR rounds...

Is anyone surprised?

.....and thats all he's got. Telling.

It's always hilarious listening to an outfitter, who makes his living from a public asset and pays nothing toward management, habitat, etc....while whining on a podcast doing the same thing. Can't make up that level of irony or hipocracy...

Only when they no longer work in the Firearms industry. They had to wait until they got theirs......

The national leadership of bha are radical leftists, and liars. Don't worry, people are finally seeing them for who they are.

I see the buck toothed ginger is making money off of license plates now. Always running a scam

https://www.spokesman.com/blogs/out...ers-anglers-benefit-state-license-plate/

Still refuses to answer why BHA is so active in banning firearms and supporting dangerous violent anti hunting eccoterrorists. Buzzy How much did ted turner pay you to fence in a wild free ranging elk herd at his ranch so locals couldn't hunt?


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So did Randy received money from any state game agencies to pimp his show ?

yes or no

Buzzy Likes to brag how much smarter he is than others can't even spell hypocrisy. lol

Buzzy boy doesn’t like outfitters but he’ll sure guide Randy’s boy.😂😂

Is that a selfie from the 90/10 task force meeting?

No photo of all the non residents...guys like sebastian. I'd say you too pendleton but you don't hunt so you wouldn't understand.

Lame comeback Lloyd.

Back on topic, how much did Randy make? 20k? 30k?

Better watch it, buzzy boy can eat 5 elk, 6 deer and 10 antelope in a year!!! Not [bleep] ya!! 😂😂

Buzzy loves avoiding very simple questions.....

Silence is deafening ...

Loved Randy's spill on his forum. The short version: Yes I got paid for the promotion and I'm not saying how much.

Got a link? Searched and can't find it.

Link Clint?

His thinly veiled admission is on page 2:
https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/llama-life.283660/page-2

That was a really long post that says absolutely nothing. The bush he beat around is giant...

Question posed to Randy: Curious have you ever been paid by state governments to publicize hunts in those states. If so how much. Just curious

Randy's response:

This is funny that you show up here and ask questions of me like you have an interest in me. This is the first time you've ever referred to me as "Randy." The normal reference is whatever derogatory adjective you can think of to make your criticism.

To my knowledge, we've never met, we've never spoke to each other, but you claim to know my life. You're not curious. You're looking to stir the pot. You don't know [bleep] from apple butter when it comes to me and my beliefs. But, armchair experts are part of the business I operate in and I accept that it comes with the territory. I just move along. I never respond to your BS accusation or comments on other forums. Now, you've come to the forum I own and I will respond.

I will answer this question, though it is truly none of your business. It might enlighten you to how the tourism and advertising business works with advertising and communication agencies representing state tourism and wildlife departments when executing media and communication plans. And, it will help some of the other Hunt Talkers who are interested in how the media space works, albeit this is a very minuscule part of it, it works quite similar with the for-profit companies in the outdoor space. Here goes......

Quick answer to your question - We, and most other large platforms in the outdoor and travel space, have been hired by ad agencies that represent state tourism and wildlife departments for access to our audiences and for production of content they need. The same as for-profit companies who want to use media platforms to reach targeted audiences and execute communication strategies.

Most magazines, TV shows, and other media platforms that have a sizable audiences in the outdoor space (hunting/fishing/adventure/outdoor travel), have been awarded a contract from an ad agency that represents a tourism or wildlife department.

It works like this. Departments, both tourism (who are rolling in money) and wildlife departments (who have very little for media), have adopted business-like practices for their communications work, rather than having the scientists and biologists try to be communications specialists. These state departments use communication firms and advertising agencies who specialize in media placement to help them develop messaging, measure results, and find the media platforms to accomplish the goals outlined in their communication plans. Some Hunt Talkers here might work for communication or advertising agencies and they might give even more detail on how it works.

The mechanics usually work like this. Requests for Proposals (RFPs) are sent out to media outlets that have been interviewed and screened by the advertising/communication agency. Each proposal is returned to the communications/ad agency where it is evaluated and scored, most often based on size of the platforms and the proposed price submitted in the RFP. The ad agency makes recommendations to the tourism or wildlife departments, based on whatever scoring criteria they've used. If selected, the media platform then signs a contract with the ad agency to complete the work.

We did our first work for an ad agency that represented a tourism-wildlife department joint venture in 2009. We've done some off and on since then. Sometimes state laws require a rotation of that vendor every two years. Sometimes preference is given to vendors located in that state, regardless of pricing or qualification. It is inconsistent and unpredictable, usually at low margins due to the bidding process.

This work always has been, and always will be, a very small part of our revenue; small, like less than 5% and in many years 0%. I suspect for the many other media platforms that also submit these RFPs it is also a very small part of their revenue. Just not worth the effort to try be the low bidder for work that usually comes with a lot of extra requests.

If you go to the SHOT Show, you would be floored by the presence of some of the state tourism agencies. The wildlife departments don't have budgets to be at SHOT or to spend on media like tourism agencies. Tourism must be a completely different ball game, in terms of dollars and budgets. There is one state tourism agency that has been the incubator for many TV platforms. I've declined every request from that state, but you don't have to look hard to see them in a lot of TV shows.

When you see those hosted shooting events, pheasant shoots, or fishing contests that have Governors and politicians, I'd bet money that idea was crafted by an advertising/communication agency that represents a state tourism department. I've been asked to be a part of a lot of them. I've decline them all.

Now that I've answered your question and given some insight in how this small part of the media world works, I would suggest you go ask the same question of every other large outdoor media platform, whether a TV show, internet platform, national magazine, well known newsletter, podcast; any media outlet that has a large reach.

Unlike me, I suspect they will tell you to pound sand; that it is none of your business. If they don't tell you to pound sand, they will probably provide a very similar answer to what I've provided here. So, in spite of your colorful know-all descriptions of me and my activities, I was kind enough to answer your question.

Your next likely question is whether or not we apply for film credits and tax rebates from state film tax credit programs. The answer is no. Some other groups do. We don't.

We decline far more invitations for RFPs than we submit. Most often it doesn't fit what we do, what our message is, or the advertising agency is not familiar with the hunting-conservation message we promote and what kind of message our audience wants. As a CPA, I understand that building a business around advertising agencies that represent tourism and wildlife departments is not a sustainable or predictable business model, so I will never let it be more than a small percentage of our revenue, relegated to where it fits what we are doing to fulfill our WHY.

So, there you have it. Our focus is on much different relationships and different content than most ad agencies plan for tourism and wildlife departments. Our content allocation of 25% entertainment, 25% information, 25% education, 25% advocacy usually doesn't fit well with how ad agencies design communication plans, so I focus our efforts elsewhere.

Now that I've been gracious enough to answer your question, you are getting tossed from this platform. You know why you're getting tossed. You know why some of the regulars here have given you a rough ride already in your first few posts. They see your BS in other places on the internet and they know why you are here. They have no use for your BS and neither do I.

I'm not inclined to let someone who I've never met, who blows smoke about who I am and what I stand for, hang out on a forum I own and pretend like they want to be friends, when they have no intent to add anything valuable to the discussions of hunting, public lands, and conservation. Might work in 3rd grade, not here.

Hope that answers your question. Good luck this season.

Bye!

I like my short version.

The point I would like to make to Randy is yes, we realize thats how other outdoor media platforms work. The reason you gained so much respect with "real" hunters is because you were one of us, not one of them. Now you are one of them.

As you put it, Bye!

Randy seems pretty upset that the truth came out.Have to rebrand his image now.Licenses keep going up while number of tags decrease every year. Randy, a big BHA member who claims they are fighting for hunters to get more hunting opportunities, actually lessens the opportunities for hunters and makes big money doing so. He admits its not a sustainable method of business but doesnt care and wants to keep pimping our public land.


So western states obviously do not need to advertise hunting in their states based on the data.. They have a budget for tourism. Randy cozy up to the budget bureaucrats and convinces them they need to advertise hunting to get some of that tax payer money. An incestuous relationship develops and money is funneled to Randy. Randy gets more money, more likes from goobers who live in urban areas, more advertisers and ruins hunting in that state. Rinse and repeat.


Is it possible that the states are giving him non resident tags so he can keep hunting in that state instead of waiting 5 to 10 years to draw a tag like the rest of us? I don't understand how can he now keep hunting out of state and consistently get tags. 10 years maybe, now no way with the draws.

Obviously the tax payer money would be much better used for wildlife conservation or slow down the sky rocketing tag prices instead of going into Randy's pocket


No wonder Buzzy always refuses to answer questions about Randy and the BHA.

Great scam he has going on there

thanks for posting

Randy shut that down quickly. So much much for "Aw shucks, golly gee Im just a simple public land hunter from Minnysoda"

I used to really enjoy his show in the beginning. Haven’t seen any of his new stuff. Got a chance a couple of years ago to share camp with a BHA member. Let’s just say it was enlightening. There views on hunting or owning an AR was laughable. I have no use for BHA or Randy.

Everything is so pimped out now it’s sickening.

Some huge battles are going to be fought now that a new user group has emerged on the scene. Social media influencers. People who are making money on the resource but have skirted existing guiding laws in place.

Good to see you bud...

I was amused with early hunting shows - Randy's in particular. Randy's used to be an empowerment program - you can do this - it's your resource.
But it's all been a predictable slippery slope. In recent years, there's way too many jackwads too loose with lips, specific areas and wide camera angles (revealing landmarks etc) – mostly seeking popularity, followers and YouTube views from a generation that wants answers rather than what used to take hard work and research.

Now most of the popular states (and some that once weren't) are getting hit to the extent where tags are ridiculously harder to get and game (and quality) are getting harder to find because of it.

Now, I realize there's some irony in using a social media platform to denouce what social media has done to our sport but that's just my $02.

Tell me about it...I have to book my annual fishing trip to AK a year out every year, or I don't get to go...

Wish people would quit pimping out fishing up there on social media/forums: Fully Guided Salmon and Halibut Charters
www.alaskawideopen.com

Bolded part, because you're not much of a hunter and don't understand how the draw process works.

I'm hunting 4 states this year and that's about the minimum I hunt every year...have hunted 7 at least 3 years.

Guys like you, that play pretend...applying for [bleep] draw odds, in a state or two a year, then bitching because you can't hunt is the norm. Others find opportunity because they take hunting seriously...like I did this year for my NR nephew who scored a LQ bull tag in one of the best areas in Wyoming, with zero preference points and 100% draw odds...valid for any bull for 41 days.

You can keep bitching while myself, my friends and family hunt several great areas and states a year.

That's your choice to be a no hunting chronic crybaby...must suck to be you everyday.

Buzz.

Go away.

You lost any credibility you ever had here by pimping your Leftist BS, then lyin' about it for years.

Seriously. Just go the fug away.

This is about Western hunting...go back to the feral pig forum. Doesn't concern you.

Stay out of discussions about hunting elk, mule deer, pronghorn, sheep, habitat, etc...and I'll stay out of your brush mowing and feral pig hunting posts.

I have both state and federal permits and have been doing this for over 20 years in both the commercial fishing and commercial guided industry. Both legitimate and heavily regulated industries. Not to mention I live here 365 days a year and am not one of you bastards who ruined [bleep] where you live and are hell bent on ruining things up here.

The new scam is that a social media influencer shows up with an industry representative and provides a “diy” deal with someone they are making money a lot of money off of. They also also bypass all limited entry permits and limits that apply to “guides”. Those days will come to an end though as many are paying attention.

Hunting and fishing guiding in the lower-48 is just as regulated...need both state and federal permits here too.

Pimping out the fishing up there is what is ruining it...if the "you bastards", that are paying you to take them didn't have a guide taking them, they wouldn't go.

You have yourself to blame...and for the record, I'm glad guys like you exist...so I can "ruin chit' up there every year...like a few hundred pounds of fish worth. Be up in about 20 days "ruining chit"...

Showing your ignorance again, Buzz.

Post up some 30 year old hero pics for us...

You're all over the place Buzzy. Fishing in Alaska now? lmao... We talking AZ..

Why are you avoiding some basic questions about your affiliations?

I'm sure Randy is very appreciative of you running PR for him trying to put out his fires. It'd be nice to hear from him as he used this very forum for years to pimp his shows while being funded by the AZGFD. Don't think this one's gonna be an easy fire. Folks in AZ and across the west are pretty damn pissed but I'm sure you don't care...

You guys could do a YouTube series explaining it all to us mere laymen with skin in the game.

Yes, have been for the last 15 years...missed 2019 because a sheep tag got in the way. No matter what from here until I'm dead AK fishing is an every year deal...it pissed me off to miss '19 was 11-12 in a row before that.

Last year was pretty good, average I'd say:





Killed a few more lingcod than normal:

Years past:

...more...yada yada.







So fast we had to stop and count on this day...killed 30 silvers in about an hour. Total fire drill...netting fish, lines crossing...fun, fun, fun.

Buzz be like, nah, I don't wanna address the questions asked of me, but here are some photos of a squirrel hunt I did in 1996....

More...



My Dad with the best Capt. in the fleet...fish killing machine:



Alien SOB...









Lots more pics where those came from...

Stay tuned, I'll have a bunch more photo's by mid-August.

Have fun on your couch.

Oh, and this trip was pretty stellar, had 6 over 100 lbs:



Another random halibut on deck:



I can't wait...

Oh and Greggy...I'll be down in AZ with 3 buddies hunting your late coues deer this December too...my 5th late coues tag since 2008.

I must know somebody with the AZ game and fish...between the 5 late coues tags, 4 rifle bull elk tags, desert sheep, javelina every year I've applied (8-10)...it must be a conspiracy.

Actually, I do have a friend that's retired from the AZGF...better call the my pillow guy.

I told you he'd post a string of hero pics, didn't I?

Predictably Buzz posts pics running cover for Randy. Lame.

Its so bad he can't even use BS anymore. Its past that point. Now its just diversion tactics and hope it goes away.

God damn we got another big stick here. Haha

I stole that Meme from the creater, even though he misspelled Newberg. Love you man! grin...

I couldn’t resist 😂😂

Interesting that the guy won’t answer a simple question. Speaks volumes actually.

Poor buzzy. More fraud and lies. How can anyone support BHA and Randy after learning the truth

Poor ribka...sitting on his ass again this fall bitching because he can't hunt elk again.

Oh, well, you can always remember that one time you got one...

Hilarious.

Nailed it...

He's hoping the thread will die. Quickly....

Buzz clearly knows that everyone is on to his buttbuddy Newberg and that his smoke and mirrors PR facade is gone so he’s down to bragging about tags he got ala the same Schitt Newberg does.

Buzzy smoked his own self out and can’t even see it……

Here's why Randy is different than everyone else who does it.

How many times have we heard "Randy is the only hunting show I watch. He's one of us. Does it the right way"?

Randy betrayed us. We expected it out of the others, so we didn't watch and help build their platform. But Randy was much more covert. I'm one of you guys. Watch me. Then comes the knife in the back.

I wonder if Randy at first had pure intentions but was tainted by money or did he hatch the scheme from the beginning?

Make no mistake. Giving away something for free that others had to earn is always an easy sell. Its the liberal way.

And all Buzz can do to defend him is talk about his tags and post fish pictures.

buzzy I thought you and that buck toothed chubby ginger, land tawny, were too busy pushing for gun bans and shutting down predator management to have time to post on here.

You sure seem upset that you and Randy's public hunting money scam was exposed.

What a snowflake....

Non of my concern what either do. Your infatuation with both isn't healthy.

Snowflake? Man you really got me with that one.

Yeah, gaslighting is a proven Marxist tactic. Just like deflection... By posting all those hero pictures. He's predictable to a tee.

Rest assured buzzy boy, I’ve broke bread, hunted and shared camp with Clint, Clint is far from a “snowflake”..

So the outrage over some tourism money in Arizona is just faux outrage, but I seriously doubt the snowflake part is just an act..."Randy betrayed me"...

All over Randy not hand feeding you a place to hunt elk...even though you begged.

What the hell are you talking about? I don't hunt elk. Have never even applied for elk (well maybe once, twenty years ago in the Gila, and drew my first year. Only elk tag I ever applied for. Lucky SOB I recon).

Allegedly...you shared a camp, did judman forget to tell you about it?

Funny story...hilarious actually.

Of course you don't hunt elk...intuitively obvious even to the most casual observer...you just like to be faux outraged, as if you do.

I hunt deer. No shame in my game. Dumb ass bovines arent for me.

I agree...nothing wrong with hunting deer...I like hunting them more than elk as well. Have deer tags in 4 states this year.

Elk are for filling freezers...fast, and I've shot a metric chit ton of them, literally.

Slapnuts, it’s your imagination and pretend.. post up some calf pics, raghorn, and dink bucks. Very impressive for growing up in Montana during “the good Ol days”!! Haha

That's all you got?

Still sitting on those max elk points with nowhere to go...because you don't know.

Do yourself a favor, hire an outfitter, you'll actually break 300...maybe.

Buzz ly boy acts like he’s the only one that hunts outta state😂😂

And the elk hang up?? Eeeewwww I’ve shot 95 elk, but 90 of em were calves. 😂😂

Buzzy boy, no one but you eats 5 elk, 6 deer and 10 antelope a year, oh and now 300 lbs of salmon and halibut!! 😂😂 you poor stupid fuucking donkey!! Haha

Fuuckin Tobe, stormy chromer and full camo everywhere you go! Haha

Just hire your outfitter and be done with it...client.

Careful Jud. Don't let him get the thread off topic. No matter the distraction the facts are:

Randy was compensated for his platform to promote deer hunting in AZ.

Randy made certain that the exact unit and area he was hunting was easily identified.

OTC archery hunts in the area were canceled in subsequent years because of increase in harvest rates.

Zero point rifle units in the area are now 1 - 2 point draws.

Or I could suck Randy’s biitch ass and ride his shirt tales. What did you receive for guiding Randy’s boy?? Fuuck you camped on those bulls til those idiots got there. Outfitter…

Sitting on your ass for the last 25-30 years...has consequences.

Still angry over him not giving you the coordinates I see...

Funny.

Even if he did...you'd need a guide.

Buzzy boy, did you guys get pinched for that? How bout the buck the folks guided Randy too on his late Wyoming buck tag? Oh boy, “on your own adventures “!! You fuuckin clams..

You two faced sack of $hit, you can’t even keep your deceptive lies straight. You hate outfitters, and FWP so bad your beady little eyes can’t even see straight and then you recommend using an outfitter. You belong to one of the greenest anti-gun groups in North America and hide behind the green curtain posing as another real hunter.

Why can’t you just admit it? You aren’t changing anyone’s mind and you don’t have a mind to change, go back to Randy and your other loser buddies and roast a marshmallow over your fire in a parking lot.

Do you have a guide/outfitters license?

Why do you hate Chris faber so bad buzzy boy? Haha

No, got a good laugh out of the investigator when he called...told him I did trade some coffee I brought for a donut...if he wanted to start making a case.

That was the end of that.

Just hire an outfitter...

Buzzy boy, why doncha go flap your lying mouth to cavers face, you’ll get to see what a all American wrestler can do suckass

Buzzy is pro gun control? For real?

What do ya charge? Step on it!! Your a fuucking clam buzzy boy

She gets confused real easily, she hates guides/outfitters too, but guides/outfits for Randy

Don't hate him at all, just no reason to hunt that country and pay an outfitter for a 130" mule deer buck...unless you're a client. Waste of money, unless you like being piss drunk at the Cleveland bar bragging to the other drunks about the big deer you "saw"...but have a 4x3 in the bed of the truck.

Way better deer and outfitters in Montana than that.

Whatever....tuffie.

Oh, you never miss a chance to talk shiit about him on the www.. my bad.

It appears you’re easily confused/and or forgetful

What does sitting on my ass have to do with Randy disclosing locations to increase views?

If you were half smart...you would have been hunting all over the West before it was popular.

I was....

Please don't tell me you were actually dumb enough to fall for his "hunt club" scheme...talk about a scam...

I do resemble that remark, as several bottles, a 1”x4” pallet board or 2 have met my skull, it’s the way we grew up, but I’m not talking about that, I am talking about you driving up to the IX and flapping your gums to his face, like you do on a keyboard 👍

What the hell does that have to do with Randy disclosing locations to increase views?

Does anyone give a damn about what you were doing?

Man you got to do better.

No I bullshiit with him when I pass through that country every now and tben. I got my own “club” for free where I kill better bucks and more pheasant than 98% of the residents 👍

She’s slow and forgetful Clint!! 😂😂

Does a great job deflecting though

Even if I did still hunt there, I wouldn't worry much about bumping into any of the Faber's while hunting...and I don't hunt to spend time in bars.

Plus, they had no access to the places I hunted in Blaine County...still don't.

Bragging about ditch parrots...only you.

Makes for a good trip. 1 thing I don’t brag about, or pose in pics with, is calf elk!! Haha

Stupid buzzy boy with his dumb stormy kromer, look I killed a calf elk, in a desert. You fuucking chowderhead you

It appears you’re hung up on “bars” for some reason. That is some SOLID advice to yourself, cause your surely get beat the fuuck down flippin your lip as you do


PS, when am I gonna see your advertisement in the WGOA booklet? Or is Randy supplementing you enough with free Sitka gear?

Oh buzzy boy, haven’t you killed a dall sheep? Was that outfitted or diy?

Uncle Rico...

What is a WGOA booklet?

Its pretty interesting that you bitch about Randy, but then beg him for information on where we hunted elk, information, gps coordinates, etc. that you found via social media. Social media that you're now bitching even louder about ruining hunting. You seem conflicted and confused.

Its also interesting the level of jealousy you put on full display, over an elk...just strange from a supposed grown man.

But, in fairness I suppose, it was a great bull...

Yes, I killed a dall sheep that qualified for B&C...a desert sheep....and a rocky.

Oh, and I was wearing sitka gear for that Dall you're so interested in...







As close as you'll ever get to a B&C dall ram...so enjoy.

And don't be begging for the GPS coordinates either...you won't get them.

Is that a picture of you Buzz, after you were told no more food ?

What a fat, glutinous, pos you are.

You’re an absolute rat fûcking liberal...What’s good for me, is all that matters for your lifestyle.

🖕🏾🦫

You wont get any coordinates either...so quit begging.

Sweetheart, I’ve never owned a “gps” in my life, do dig the lies though. 🤣

Who “guided” you on your dall? No lies this time!!

Desert and a rocky, so what you drew some permits, whoopty fuucking do. You got lucky, some of us haven’t.. you calf killin dummy!! Haha

Come on Jud....Killing 8 cow elk a year makes boy Buzz into a hunter.

LMAO

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Cool, you have the digits to Newberg’s bedroom door.

Keep em !

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you look just like a guy we arrested a few weeks ago sucking a guys dick in a rest area

😂😂, and now we know why slapnuts doesn’t go into bars!! Haha

Buzzy boy and liar LarryO are very similar, but buzzy do suck a little more ass though!! Gotta get that free Sitka gear for guide fees.

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Yep, all luck...

Here's a pro tip...you actually have to apply for tags to draw them. You can't bitch on the 'net about someone else ruining your chances. They have application services, clients like yourself use them.

Too bad you weren't paying attention 25 years ago...you'd have a sheep already...dummy. I'll draw a couple more as well...because I was paying attention instead of drunk in a bar getting bottles busted over my head.

Desert:



Rocky:

Buzz as a guy who has liked Randy and wants to think the best of him I’ve gotta say that if you’re trying to stand up for him you’re doing a pretty poor job of it.

Buzzy boy, what outfitter you use for your dall?

Can we see some more calf pics please?

Chowderhead, I have been applying for moose sheep and goat tags for 25 years, all while beating up mouthy fuucks like you in bars, that have to use bottles/and boards.. 😂

I do enjoy killin more and better deer than you in Montana, given I didn’t grow up there.. I love Montana

For the record, I have communicated privately with Randy several times. I like the guy. With his liver condition he is damn trooper to do what he does. I am a former CPA too. I was pulling for him. Thats why what he did really sucks. I expected it out of others. Not Randy. I was hoping he had it figured out enough financially that he wouldn't have to resort to selling out the farm.

I'm sure he's real proud of Buzz's defense of him here, too.

As for Jud begging for GPS coordinates, thats funny. To my disbelief, he aint lying when he says he's never owned a GPS. But Jud, I do think its time.

Buzz has successfully changed the subject. It was the only strategy he had.

Don’t make Buzz Eastman call you “greggy “ again!!! Haha

I have no dog in this fight. Why won’t the guy answer the question asked of him? If this guy is Newbergs spokesperson Newberg should be embarrassed.

Pretty sure BHA has a class on dodge and deflect.

NMBHA couldn’t give a straight answer with a gun held to their head. Pretty sad when they erase all their social media and make it “group only”.

Buzzy Eastman, do you have anything worth a fuuck that you didn’t draw a tag for? Surely growing up in Montana during the 80’s and 90’s you got some hammers. Starting to see a correlation between ex F&W buddies, pro wolf, anti gun liberal suckass shiit and drawing tags…

Tons...

Buzzy Eastman, hang pics of non draw critters, and who was the outfitter you used for your dall?

I don’t wanna see all the calf elk and doe pics you and the chowderhead crew kill in Montana every year either. Let’s see “tons” of otc bucks and bulls

When are you going to answer the questions asked on this thread? Deflecting won’t change the fact you can’t answer a simple question and actually says a lot about your character.

I liked Randy’s original shows and thought he was a good guy. By all accounts he’s a sellout piece of crap and you’re no better. Oh and BHA can eat a bag of crap.

Interesting thread.
I know a number of young hunters in their twenties who I presume to be influenced by these social media celebrity hunter shows.
I've made a point of forwarding this thread and the other to all of them

I doubt any of them will change thier mind...too many Bro dudes with flat bills and cum filled beards

Gitem
I'm sure you're right, but thankfully that's Not the bunch I know.

But it's their targeted audience...

Greg
Understood.
Dan

Here’s one for the books alright, a nice ass shot ram by some cornholer with both eyes in the same socket and Safariman as the guide.

Judman - how many MT licenses did you not have to "draw"?

Buzz, looks like some awesome AK fishing. And what did that rocky mtn bighorn eat like? Inquiring minds want to know. You look like you're well on your way to a grand slam - here is an option for the 4th?.. Randy's Guided Sheep Hunt Drawing.

Are they “special permits”, naw they’re general statewide buck tags. 👍😘

You still have to draw them. And as you know - just because you draw - doesn’t mean you’re guaranteed of any result.

Montana is a statewide general tag, not a limited entry unit specific tag. Big difference, but you knew that. Used to be 100%, but we saw what happened there.

It is not “statewide” but almost. And even as a general- you have to draw. Just like I have to draw general deer in Wyoming.

Regardless of what that means - you buying a raffle ticket for a guided sheep hunt with Randy? It would be extra great if you “won”. 😃

So you’re lumping general season, statewide licenses to say, a 380 bull permit or a 441 buck tag? Ok got it. 👍 I did “draw” a special buck permit in a region you’re familiar with. that was after I DREW my statewide general tag. Reg 4. 👍

Yes I will buy a ticket if only to appease you and Buzzy Eastman. 👍

I've got a limited draw tag in lower Alabama this year. Am I special?

Been scouting the antler growth. Good year.

I guess next time I’ll specify for the hunttalk crew, limited statewide/general, or limited unit. But he knew, just trying to deflect for his buddy’s

We should have known something was up in the AZ series with the over the top quail plug. Jeapers Creepers. Jiminy Cricket. I just love taking a quail break on a deer hunt. This is such an awesome place.

Looks like his “Arizona buddy’s “ got the hookup for the sheep hunt too. 👍

Hopefully it’s not a “draw” tag!! 😂

Coues deer are dumb, I’d much rather hunt quail Bama!! Haha

Yes, quail hunting in Texas.

Southern AZ is dangerous. Not only must one worry about illegals, there's killer monkeys lurking. I seen 'em.

Monkeys 🤣🤣

They do have to have permits for filming on Government lands. Now that is no promise all of them do go and get permitting.

The same way they support Meatgobbler, First Lite, OnX Maps, and FHF!

They do. And since he's come up here, Randy Newberg is more transparent than most - give him that. It's easy to hate on the individuals who are profiting or trying to, on things we all love doing. Like the outfitting industry, I think all should be required to pay (state agencies) for that profiting - not the other way around, regardless of how small that profit might be. If you've paid to hunt, paid an outfitter, bought information, subscriptions, services, and many of the products today's hunting companies promote, even so much as listened to a podcast, "liked" or "clicked" on some the posts or YouTube videos you hate so much - you're also contributing the the problem. The information age is killing hunting as we know it. That's a fact.



I'm not lumping anything. Montana general is not "statewide", neither is the general elk. Montana is BIG, there's ridiculously good hunting within general deer and elk areas. It's not abound and that's an undeniable fact. Even the best premier limited draw permits don't come with a guaranteed result - even in the "good old days" - anywhere. I'm a great permit drawing SOB and have had my ass handed to me a pile of times on them. But just like true, over the counter, general, free for all public land, no help required.. It's usually time and luck, and time.. my opinion. Buzz is an accomplished hunter, has done lots for hunters, and has had more great success than 99% of those I know hunting on a regular guy budget and general areas. In 2005, he passed on a "general" public land wyoming 192" gross buck that he spotted and opted to let me go kill it, so he could look for better.

The one thing you've proven is that you don't know chit from clay about hunting white sheep....

Shot in the ass you say....

Notice the broken shoulders...wonder how that happened? 338's tend to do that. For the record, I've fired exactly 4 rounds at wild sheep in my life...and killed 4.

Splinting hairs, suffice it to say, a general non resident buck tag is not the the same realm as drawing a limited entry unit specific tag. I’ve been fortunate, all the “unit specific “ permits I’ve drawn I’ve had great experiences and filled, with the exception of a spring bear tag I drew this year, which I coulda filled, left my camp, came home got sick and said fuuck it.

I have a hard time believing someone who doesn’t have a 193” buck would pass one up. Have fun on that ram hunt, hope you kill a goodun. 👍

Yeah, that buck you killed was a great one...quite a bit better than I thought actually. A few weeks later, my wife and I glassed up this buck and since I owed DG for helping me with a general 184" mule deer the year before...when I relocated this buck, I gave him first option to shoot.

He made the right choice...if he wouldn't have, that buck would be mine...because I wasn't having to decide if he wouldn't have taken it. This buck had a 175"ish frame and 20" of extras...grossed right in that 193 range IIRC. At the time, this tag was 100% odds for NR's, in fact, it could be picked up as a third choice and sometimes OTC as a leftover.





Saw this buck that same year and found him again in 2006 in the exact same place. I felt he wouldn't get any better so after watching him for about 20 minutes through the spotting scope...picked up the rifle. If not for the extra split, he probably would have died of old age...



I found a lot of good bucks in 2002-2007 on the general OTC tags in Wyoming.

Not hard for me to believe at all...did it again a few weeks later. How I roll...don't have to be the guy behind the trigger every time.

You should try it sometime...

I'm a good guy to be friends with...judging by your response, you probably aren't. Had that pegged from the get-go...

You dumbfuuck, “quite a bit better than I thought actually “.. 😂😂

You can’t make this up! Haha your right, we could never be “friends” buzzy Eastman . 👍

Well, all I can say is Greenhorn and I both looked at that buck he killed a long time the day before opening day...and we both thought 180".

I guess technically, within 12 inches across those draws where we found it, judging them at a short mile...probably isn't "quite a bit"...

Shame on you dummy buzzy boy, went from, “buzz passed up a 193” and let me shoot”, to, “ ya he was a lot bigger than I thought “!!! Haha

Check your pm’s dumb dumb, you just fuucked up a great story!! 😂😂

The country that buck came from has potential for something extra, extra large...and with a general tag, I had another month to hunt and was in no hurry to kill a deer.

I can be a good friend, too people I like. Here’s a 22”outside 182” buck I spotted and let the pard shoot..


We both burnt our max points on antelope in Wyoming this year. We’ll see how a couple Roosevelt/blacktail hunters can do in a premier Wyoming antelope unit. 👍

Here's what you're looking for on those pronghorn tags you probably could have drawn 2-3 times by now...



Going guided?...I bet so.

Ya, guided by me. I wanted to hunt the best, a guy ain't gonna draw the best 2-3 times chowder head, but you knew that. How bout I buy you a beer buzz, after the hunt of course.👍

Too bad your arms weren't any longer, it would look really big!!!😀🖕

In the time you've waited to hunt the best...Greenhorn has probably shot a half dozen that gross/net 80+ in Wyoming.

Glad you're waiting 15 years for the "best"....good luck.

Greenhorn's a good friend too...told me about this buck:



My wife shot it opening day, her 4th buck that nets over 80"...she has the same tag again this year.



He also told me about this one:



Killed it on my way to work...just shy of 17".

Isn't hard to make 85" gross pronghorn look big...

Oh my, you live in Wyoming and kill antelope??? Holy shiit!!!

Buzzy Eastman, obviously it was done by design, when a guy hunts 4-6 states, and 2 countries annually, you prioritize... In the time you've killed dinkville in Montana, I've killed far better bucks than you ever will. Usually within a few days, then onto the next state.Keep deflecting, randy is real proud of you!😀

My son called that one "Batman" and really wanted to kill it. I had to talk him into shooting an arrow into another net B&C buck that same day, after he missed the biggest pronghorn I've ever seen, twice. Ugh. Judman - You're in for a treat - Wyoming pronghorn hunting is something else. I predict a B&C buck for sure. Good luck!

Oh can we get back to the desert calf elk pics?😂😂

I am surprised Randy hasn't sent you all PM's telling you if you happen to be in Bozeman to look him up!

Funny thing is that POS turned and walked away when he saw me. I was with a friend visiting me, she said did that I guy see a ghost or what? I told her the story and she laughed.

I have been telling everyone for a few years now what a bunch of douchbags those Bozeman bunch are!

Yeah...that's the rumor.

About half the bucks we've killed in Wyoming...didn't make the cut into the trophy "room"...live in the garage attached to the double-wide.

😂😂

Well shiit buzzy Eastman. Too bad you don't have a blacktail or a real elk in your collection!! Those antelope are tough to hunt, don't think I've had a antelope hunt last over a day

Here we go...more posts from another tuffie...

Oh he's pmd me before.haha

So does he know you? Why'd he get locktail?

Well hell, post up just your B&C qualifiers...I like to look at big pronghorn bucks, shot in one day or ten days.

This a very good bull? Kind of a short 5th...but, you know only had 7 days to hunt.

Montana general bull...you shot any better in Montana?

Calf pics in the desert buzzy!!! Did you eat 5 elk the year you were very limited on time and killed the white horn bull?

Oh I bet you only ate 3 elk that year!!!😂

This the one you're whining about?

White horned desert bull...have a knack for shooting bulls with those short 5ths...

wow what a pile of shït.
I’d be scared to hunt alone if I made friends this easily.

That's a 2 elk eating year there!!! Haha

😂😂 watch it!! He eats 5 elk, 6 deer, 10 antelope and 300lbs of salmon a year!!😂😂

Nope just one of the few here that will actually meet up! And for the record it was your bitch Randy that was trying to be the tough guy. Course that tail went right between the legs!

Just a wild guess, buzzy Eastman, do you have children? Naw your too selfish. Woulda been handy though, coulda helped with all that meat.😎

General Wyoming bull, living in the desert.

The tough part about killing all these desert bulls...is getting them to the mountains whole, and getting pitch on their antlers for the photos. Has to be an easier way...

He didn't know me when he PM'ed me, But he knew exactly who I was at The Big Sky Total Archery Challenge. The look on his face was PRICELESS.

I've never killed a elk. Very impressive buzz shocky!!!

PS, I'm pumped about Montana's as musket season, I just might hunt elk over there now.

Your story, make it as big as you want.

That's funny.😂😂

Shiit changes when the rubber meets the road and there's not a keyboard to to cover up behind😂😂

Whatever Uncle Rico...

If only coach would have put you in 4th quarter...you would have won state.

Oh did I hurt your feelings about that POS? The best part of the story is, Randy wrote it!

Naw, we had a shiity football team, didn't even make it to the playoffs!!😂

I do like wrestling though.

Not hurting my feelings any...don't care about your stories tuffie.

Buzz, I just got a pm, won't mention who from, doesn't matter. Supposedly your a good egg, why won't you just answer the op and own it?

YES SIR! There ain't a soul on here I wouldn't meet. That isn't to be a tough guy either. Truth of the matter is 99% would call the police if fist were thrown by anyone. So you know no fist will be thrown! However I will say everything face to face I would take the time to type out on here. Should I get my azs kicked then well lick your wounds and move on! But those like Buzz, Randy, Bennie, and Meatgobbler ain't the type to take an azs whipping. They dial 911.

What was that again?

Not that I care or have to answer for anything.

Since you're the OP, I guess you're the guy that asked. No I don't have any problem with a state tourism board spending their money on advertising any way they see fit.

I also don't have a problem with GF agencies doing the same. The way they fund research, management, pay for vehicles is largely tied to license revenue.

Should we shut down GF websites? Are hunting booklets, regulation booklets, with draw odds, names of biologists, phone numbers somehow all a bunch of bullchit because they give out too much information?

Go look at Wyoming's website...anyone with 2 firing brain cells to rub together can figure out what the top units are, where to hunt, names of any biologist, regional offices, game warden phone numbers, access areas for hunting...

Go look at Montana's hunt planner.

Go look at AZ's hunt planner, they give you information and narrow down things to specific drainages, mountains, etc.

Here's what I think...I think people are making a mountain out of a mole-hill when it comes to a few social media guys or the GF paying for advertising.

If anyone wants to be anything close to intellectually honest, its not the influencers that are impacting the sport...its all of us.

Rifles that shoot 500-600-700 yards with ease, spotting scopes you see distant planets with, alpha glass, better clothing, lighter gear, bows that shoot 100 yards, trail cams, aerial photography, GPS units, inreach, spots, better maps, google earth,. Know anyone anymore that shoots a compound without a trigger release? Know anyone that shoots a rifle with a straight 4 power scope anymore? How about open sights? Know anyone that hunts that doesn't have a 4-wheel drive?

I was talking with a good friend of mine, lives on the Front in Montana...one tough old-school SOB and as hardcore of a hunter as I know. Like he said, "when I backpacked hunt, my sleeping bag weighed more than guys entire camps now"...and that isn't no bullchit. That's a fact.

What's happened is the gear technology and as much as you and others (me included) like to bitch about the flat-brimmers...they have the gear, the technology, and the physical ability it takes to pound the game flat. Like Roy told me, these new hunters are no joke, they're tough and there's nowhere too far for them to reach. Its just a fact. And they have the gear that allows them to hunt farther, stay longer and be more comfortable...just a fact.

Then, throw in the huge increase in outfitters as well as shrinking habit, conifer encroachment, aging habitat types, disease issues, leasing, hunt clubs, ATV's, winter range loss, noxious weeds, migration corridors being pinched off, and just the simple fact that by tomorrow at this time, there will be 400,000 more people on planet earth than right now...yeah, things are tightening up.

So, yeah, I won't apologize for saying its BS to blame youtube while a metric chit ton of other things are impacting the sport way more, impacting wildlife populations more.

Is youtube additive to the problem...sure, but its literally worrying about the mice while the elephants run you over...

Its a joke...and just another thing for guys that hunt once or twice a year to be faux outraged over...its ridiculous.

No good egg supports the likes Buzz supports! Jesus himself could have PM'ed you that, I ain't buying it.

Meatgobbler😂😂 oh god damn er!!!Haha

I can post pics for days too, fishing pics too, as we don't have to travel for Chrome.

Ill ask you this buzz, what happened to the draw odds on the unit Randy's boy drew that you guided them on the following years? No bullshiitin either.

I'm betting the same thing that happened when rinella drew lick creek over here in the blues..

Everybody that watches those videos, is paying for that to continue.

Truth. I work with a buncha fuucking dummies that thrive on this stuff. Guy even blew up a pic on a tagged bull to see what area born and raised were huntin in Idaho. No shiit! Went there the following year. We now have seen what Idaho has done.

I don't disagree with your statement one bit. Sorta like all the jack wagons that pay BHA, First Lite, OnX, and FHF!

Didn't guide anyone...hunted with a friend that I've known for a long time.

Essentially nothing...it has always been a near max point or one under max unit. Same with most of the surrounding units...been that way for years.

Its been 10-11% odds for Residents the 21 years I've lived here...fluctuates a percent or two.

Get real...7, 19, 16, 23, 24, 22, 100, 124, 30, 31, 113 all the 50's and 60's units near Cody, 1, 2, ....draw odds suck...all...and have for 20 years.

How tough is it to look at draw odds and wonder "Gee, funny thing, all these guys applying for tags in unit_____(fill in the blank)...wonder why that is?

Are units 380, 622, 621, 700, 690 some big secret in Montana for elk?

Anyone heard anything about unit 270 in Montana for mule deer? I hear its a real sleeper...with awesome draw odds.

Anyone hear anything about 680 for sheep?

How about 12AW late for mule deer in Arizona?

Anyone ever shot a big buck on the Arizona Strip?

Unit 10 any good for pronghorn in AZ...how about 5B on Anderson Mesa?

The Gila any good for elk in New Mexico?

Red desert in Wyoming have any big pronghorn?

Unit 128 late any good for mule deer bucks in Wyoming? How about region G?

Come on man...

So your saying odds stayed the same? Come on man.. Bullshiit...

Let them...watching guys hunting dead bulls is always funny to watch...

Wait until guys hack your GF accounts to find out where you hunt...fun times.

Those guys are no competition...and that is a fact. I don't worry about that stuff in the slightest...pretty obvious they don't have a clue.

Its the how, not the where...

Wasn't max points this year...

Let them burn points on that unit, they're wasting them. Things have changed in that unit, big-time.

The coat tail riders are in for a real slap in the face...and a reality check. I laugh every time some 10-watt draws it, they don't know what they don't know.

They'll come back smarter, with no points...and long-faced. Maybe a raghorn...maybe.

You seen any pics of any half decent bulls off public lately in that unit? Wonder why not?

You missed a few!

270 isn't what it use to be. But a guy that knows what he is doing can do well in there.

BuzzH is not lying. But I still want to kick him in the balls for pushing the 90/10 stuff. it's only a matter of time.

I don't think you have much to worry about...I have talked to LH more than I probably ever have...and without one of us being red-assed over something.

So you're saying I'll have to kick 2 guys in the balls?

Something along those lines....

Kind of hard to argue with this...

What happened to the deer rifle tags and OTC archery tags in the unit Randy pimped?

Its simple. The more an area is pimped, the more specifics that are given, the more the internet warriors are coming. Not hard to figure out. There is a balance. I'm not at all against Randy in his early years. I thought he struck a nice balance. As a matter of fact I was for him and actually enjoyed watching his episodes.

But he crossed the line and sold out the farm. His pimping episodes stick out like a sore thumb and hurt a lot of locals. Randy knows this. He is no dummy. It was a calculated decision. Where Randy got caught is COVID, which to his defense, increased all outdoor activities including hunting. There was going to be an increase in applications without Randy having pimped it. But now his face is on most all dart boards for those who have always hunted deer in southern AZ.

I could make one regulation change and reverse whatever has caused the jump in AZ bowhunting...fact.

Take away the training wheels...you could probably let the handful of longbow and recurve guys remaining in the sport have 2 tags each and extend the season by a month.

Technology in archery equipment, range finders, trigger releases, sights, cams, arrows, broadheads...that's the problem. Not Randy, not social media, not the AZFG.

Nobody willing to give up anything that makes it easier...same with rifle and muzzleloader hunters too.

Buzz, there are 100's of things that could be done to reverse course. And there are 100's of others who would have pimped it if not Randy. Is anyone claiming otherwise? The difference with Randy is that he worked his way into the "real" hunter crowd and we trusted him. But it was going to happen regardless of Randy. Ultimate responsibility lies with AZGFD. Randy was just one of their tools.

I think we can all agree on this.

Truth

Yep it’s rampant.. I bout shiit when I heard Randy has videos “how to” apply for different states. These new “hunters” fry their brain playing video games?? Wtf

I was screaming at my radio when I’ve heard 3 different podcast talk about a unit 4 times that I’ve been able to draw pretty easily for years. Haven’t been able to draw it for 2 years now. One of them being the person of discussion here.

It’s a viscous circle, I hate the new info craze, but you almost have to keep up with it. Pretty easy to predict trends when you have a couple “celebrities” blasting a unit. I have to laugh when you hear people like Newberg claiming they do “trick photography” so people don’t know where they are. In one of his NM videos, he showed a trail head marker that was pretty obvious. The next year, a buddy that goes in there every year said the trail head had twice the traffic it normally has. Why even show it? It may not be where he was hunting, but it’s where someone hunts.

Unfortunately, it’s only going to get worse.

And get worse it will, way worse. I feel bad for guys that have to draw to hunt their own state, that’s gonna get worse as well, as SLM explained

Jud that is exactly what Utah is. Everything is a draw. There are no over the counter tags here. Won’t lie, it sucks. I drew a premium deer tag in Idaho in 2016. I doubt I will ever draw the tag again.

I think Arizona and New Mexico is too. Guess we’re lucky here, we can hunt 3 species of deer, 2 species of elk bear and cougar every year, drive a hour south to Oregon and do the same, or 6 hours east to Idaho and same there. Already feeling the squeeze in Idaho, shorter seasons, picking a unit for whitetail, tags selling out in record times, huge influx in applications. Guess I’ll just ride er out, not gonna last too much longer. Hell, 6 years ago the boy and I could drive over to Lewiston on thanksgiving day and buy 2 whitetail tags a piece, sure miss those days, never happen again

What’s missed by a lot of guys like Newberg is, they have the schedule and money to flood draws for themselves and staff so they are almost guaranteed tags. A lot of people don’t have the resources to flood Western states draws to “guarantee” themselves tags every year.

In 3 years, NM has added ~100,000 applicants to the pool. At some point, people have to see they are not creating more opportunity but actually decreasing the likelihood of opportunity. He and many use the crutch that the answer is more hunters/money equates to a “bigger pie” due to revenue and conservation. In an arid state such as NM, the logic doesn’t work. Throw in the LO conflict and things start getting even messier. The landscape doesn’t always support the “bigger pie”.

Agreed. The good days are gone. Idaho is a real gut punch for me. Lots of friends and family. Kill anything big you make a phone call and the horses are on the way…Well I will keep putting in for points and crossing my fingers.

You do have it good up there.

It’s sad what social media has done to hunting. Randy isn’t the only one who was pimping AZ OTC either. Hush, OnX, Shed crazy, muley freak, Brian call and others were also. Couple that with companies like GoHunt and of course draw odds are going to tank in not only AZ but every other western state. Not to mention “stimulus” money for many people.

Compound bows have been around for over 40 years I used to buy over the counter archery tags in trophy deer unit in Arizona easily decades after compound bows were introduced.

As long as you and Randy make a buck its all justified in your head. How does BHA rectify the fact that they are fewer and fewer hunting opportunities due to BHA celebrities pimping out publics ands? And at the same time BHA leadership are pushing to shut down predator management. Amazing that BHA members still buy into your lies and BS.

Don't forget to lump in forums, such as this one, with "social media" that has made information easier. Lots of first time, but not just one time, hunters to the Western states got all the information they needed from sites just like this one.

Between decreasing draw odds (by both the number of applicants and reduction in tags), price, and complication of applications it's about made me just say to hell with it and just travel with Hank and chase birds wherever we decide to...

I will agree that forums have changed hunting as well but on many forums members aren’t just posting units to hunt or openly discussing their draw strategies. Many times it is done over private messages and not shared with others.

Oh %*^#&$**.........a wrestler, one of those guys! Have a buddy in Louisiana who wrestled in college. His motto was/is "if I grab 'hold of something I intend to tear it off, and that includes gonads, eyes, ears, noses, etc". He's only 5'9" and 285 though. I'm bettin you're much the same fight/philosophy wise. Buzz probably couldn't swat the files off his azzz.

LOL!

Too funny!

Stimulus money and a lot of people making more off unemployment than they were working had a big affect on applicant numbers in NM this year IMO.

I think an unintended consequence of BHA, Newberg and others pushing the “this is your public land” is they have fanned the resident, non-resident fire into a raging wildfire. As we all know, where the wildlife resides is irrelevant.

Right or wrong, residents are looking at the NR/outfitter quotas as the easy button.

Haven't seen anyone lately with files on their azzz....

You said you like to look at big antelope......self guided NM.

Damned Nice Pronghorns JG !

I killed my biggest one on a big ranch close to Nara Visa, NM.

Ya I dunno if it has to do with the stimulus $$ or not to be honest. I do know guys my age class (46) on down are addicted to YouTube, podcasts etc. it used to be a guy had to dig, scout, spend a shiitload of $$ in gas, hotels etc to find places, not to mention vacation time. Now just watch a show, video, listen to a podcast and there ya have it, pack your shiit and you’re there. Oh, or you can Google units and pages of info will pop up.

God damn uncle Johnny, those are some hammers. 👍

Thanks....those were near Tatum, NM chl.

New Mexico needs to do away with the outfitter welfare pool altogether. Bunch of BS anyway.

Yes it is, NMBHA and NMWF packaged it with a BS bill this year to eliminate it. Had it been a stand alone, a lot of hunters would have got behind it.

Awesome antelope JG.

Getting caught up.

Own your own adventures gets paid by tourism boards to advertise limited draw units which Newberg is given tags for?

Not surprising. Its like most other things in this nation. Everything is a lie and BS.

No one has accused Randy of being given tags. Some have theorized that it could be possible, but there is no creditable evidence. The episodes in question were OTC archery hunts.

Gotcha.

Yes, some occurs by PM, but a whole lot does not. 10 mins of internet search can pull up information from a forum on any unit I've looked into. That said, even if it is by pm, that is still the same issue. Info getting to folks far and wide easily.

dandies

buzzy please explain why you and Randy support an anti hunting eco terrorist to run our public lands.

Here's Randy's response to an email posted on his forum. The email (below) was AZGFD's response to a question emailed to them regarding the situation.

Randy asserts that he was contractually obligated to confidentiality. How convenient!

I wish folks would get (keep) a real job and quit exploiting our resources that they pretend to protect.

Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining.

I love that AZGFD threw him under the bus. At least now all you jock sniffers can see Randy for who he is.

Pay special attention to the bold portion of Randy's quote. Not only is he contracted to promote it himself, he is contracted to recruit other social media platforms to do so. Sickening. Its the end of hunting as we know it.





Quote:

I’ve been on the road four of the last five days and I now have a few minutes on my lunch break to chime in.

I asked AZ G&F if they were OK with me telling the world that I am the “influencer” their ad agency has chosen to work with for coordinating the hunting part of the AZ G&F communications plan. For confidentiality reasons implied in contracts, they did not want to give my name, nor would their ad agency. I have no concerns about them letting the world know that we are the group coordinating that project, and they have given me permission to tell that we are that group referred to in the email.

So here goes.

We have a contract with the ad agency that does a lot of work for AZ G&F. Our contract is to produce directed video content, hire other media platforms, and use our media production skills and video/podcast platforms to create content that promotes small game hunting, quail and dove hunting, the AZ G&F landowner relations program, help raise awareness of non-resident youth licenses, promote archery javelina opportunity and show table fare of javelina as part of a bigger “hunt for food” effort, OTC archery Coues deer, waterfowl hunting, the conservation work being done by AZ G&F, show the total value of an Arizona non-resident hunting license, explain how AZ G&F policy works as it relates to population management, help raise funds for access and habitat, promote thee AZ Big Game Super Raffle, make non-residents aware of how the AZ draw process works and the deadlines for such, and to give feedback and input of how the department’s UIs (user interface) are functioning from the customer side (mostly web portals and draw systems).

We have implemented a plan that uses our platforms and other key media platforms. When helpful, we contract with other groups to reach their audiences with the same message.

With the changes in mule deer hunts this coming season, a lot of the focus has been on the promotion work we have been hired to do, with some claiming that to be the cause for the changes in archery mule deer hunts. We’ve never promoted archery mule deer hunting while we have been there. Seeing the fluctuations of mule deer in AZ and knowing their policy for season adjustments related to fluctuations, I told them we would not be promoting OTC archery mule deer. They were good with that.

Even though they have mechanisms in place to protect the resource when archery hunts result in more than the “20% by archery” harvest threshold, I feel mule deer are far more susceptible to hunting pressure than Coues deer. Thus, we, and any group hunting with us as part of this contract, only hunted OTC archery Coues deer, in addition to the small game species we hunt.

You will notice that the AZ G&F folks who are in our content are all small game or landowner relations managers. The ad agency instructs us to coordinate with the department to include the personnel who can help deliver the message we have been asked to provide. Which personnel joins us is determined by the agency, which have been the department personnel who are in charge of small game, science, and landowner relations. Which media platforms join us is something I suggest to AZ G&F with them giving final approval to the rotation of those groups.

I’m very proud of the work we have done with AZ G&F and their ad agency. The plan AZ G&F and their agency have crafted is being looked at by other states. Since we started this, other states that are aware of this work have approached us to do the same. I have politely declined those other solicitations.

As I have stated on other recent threads on this forum, it is not a new idea for wildlife and tourism departments to use ad/communication firms to build communication and marketing plans. And to use those agencies to help departments implement those plans. It is done in fishing, hunting, non-game issues, public awareness, you name it. This is how it is done in the business world, with forward-thinking state agencies adopting many of these business tactics.

If you watch many of the TV shows, look to see how many of them are sponsored by tourism and game agencies. I have done this same work for other states at other times. Some shows have made it a huge part of their work. For us, it is less than 5% of our revenue.

The agency used by AZ G&F and the department itself, have a very precise plan for what they want to accomplish. They have done surveys and used other metrics to determine the results they hoped to achieve.

We have been talking over the last six months of whether or not we should promote hunting this fall, due to the impacts of the extended multi-year drought. Last year, we did not hunt rabbits due to the hemorrhagic disease that has hit rabbits hard in the southwest. That was by design, in response to a disease outbreak. We shifted from hunting Mearn’s quail to Gamble’s, due to the moisture patterns of 2020 that helped Gamble’s and hurt Mearn’s. That was by design, in response to drought.

One of the goals when we set out on this project was to see that the hundreds of unsold archery javelina tags got sold rather than a resource going unused. That finally happened last year. With all of that, we have been in discussions as to what degree of promotion is helpful and prudent in a year of extended drought such as this. I have told them I am happy to defer or discontinue the contract if that is what is best in this drought situation. We have agreed to see what the monsoon moisture is for this summer and make a decision in September.

So, with their permission, I am providing this information. I guess the podcast and social media world thinks this is some big mystery that somehow explains the long-standing AZ G&F policy for when they increase/decrease mule opportunity as it relates to population and harvest data. I'll post some details of how the policy guideline works.

I’m happy to have this out there for the world to see. I’m on the road for the next ten days, but I’ll try to chime in when I have a connection.

End quote.

Randy, BHA et al are nothing more than a money grabbing POS.

A new hobby could be following social media hunters around on dirt bikes (or any loud and obnoxious OHV) while they are hunting, as much as is legal of course.

Seems Randy’s own admission that he was in fact paid shows his buddy Buzz lied to us when he flat claimed Randy wasn’t paid to hunt AZ. Go figure……

Nobody is surprised.

As I mentioned early in this thread, Buzz has NO credibility. None.

He just comes here to use his Marxists tools of deflection, lies, and slight of hand to try and change the subject.

Holey schiit, all this fuss about someone I have never heard about! Guess I'll have to watch a couch hunt one of these days! Usually I have no interest in boob tube hunting!

I bet you don't know any of the names of the people burning down cities in your state either.

Your correct! Do you know? If you do please let the rest of us know! What state you from, Ray? I see your one of the elite, afraid to put your area on your profile! Most puppets won't put their area, their afraid someone will out them at the d i l d oshop! Hell I bet you ran out and bought a 6.5 manbun ! OH ya GFY!!!!!

When you read the rest of the thread, he can not admit that he and others had a role in the AZ decisions. Simple math says increase in hunter numbers, will increase take. Hopefully him and others will see that they are not doing many of us any favors, but like mentioned in that thread, until it hits their bottom line, it will always be drought, fires, technology etc, not them, because they are the greater good.

This is the type of person Buzzy and Newburg support to manage our public lands

Bumping back up. for buzzy .

Reminding everyone what a liar he is

OK, guys, I'm an outsider here - I don't bowhunt and I've never hunted in Arizona - but I think you're missing the picture here.

Let's take your points one at a time: Randy was HIRED to promote deer hunting in Arizona by a state agency. That he was chosen was a wise decision, because obviously, dry lectures by game biologists were not doing the job. They needed someone with name recognition and hopefully, someone who carried a degree of trust by potential viewers. If he were not "compensated", as you put it, I doubt he would have done it - making those hunting videos is his business!

Second point: he made sure the unit and area were easily identified. I can see your point - If I had been hunting there for years, I wouldn't want anyone telling the world that this was a great place to hunt if you wanted to fill your tags. On the other hand, the whole point of creating the video was precisely to say, "This is a great place to hunt if you want to fill your tags!"

Third point: hunts were cancelled in subsequent years because of increase in harvest rates. Well, I guess that's what happens when you successfully "promote deer hunting in AZ". But that was, in fact, the goal.

Fourth point: some rifle units now require more points to draw. See previous comment.

All I'm saying here is, don't act all upset because someone who does something successfully is paid to do what he does well. It's like telling a fishing guide not to make a video showing how good the fishing is on the Snake River, just because you happen to live in Jackson Hole.

Correct me if I'm wrong and I won't take offense - I'm an outside observer and have no skin in the game.

I think the big issue people have is that Randy repeatedly denied being paid by AZ to film those hunts and promote the units. Then his chronies like Buzz doubled down and claimed the knew for a FACT Randy had not been paid for them.

Once AZ admitted they had paid for the promotion and all but named Randy the gig was up and rather than come clean he tried to skirt the issue like a weasel. His chronies likewise tried to spin a tail rather than admit they lied.

These are people who claim they “support” hunters all while lying to our faces and simply padding their pockets and options to hunt.