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I never thought they were worth buying when they were made in Japan. Ding, ding . . . . Winner, winner, chicken dinner ! As an aside, I don't know how many people I've heard suggest that they (Vortex) were made in Wisconsin. To this point, the the warranty service comes out of Wisconsin, but as of yet there hasn't been a Vortex made, even assembled in Wisconsin. That, supposedly is going to change . . . . I worked on the jobsite pouring the tip up panels for the main building. The company I work for has a crew there now working on phase 2. According to the Vortex people I had a chance to talk to last summer, they want to move in and start assembly of some products in 2018 with the goal of eventually losing the "made in China" entirely. Crazy how truth rarely echoes gunshop rumour... But gunshop rumor is best left on the gunshop floor...
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I never thought they were worth buying when they were made in Japan. Had nothing to do with thought...it's fact. Vortex is a big or a dice roll as Kimber. Seems to be an inarguable point on a forum full of gamblers though.
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I still don't own a Vortex product, but IF they start US production, I'll try one. Go get one. The AMG is made here.
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I know a guy who contracts with Chinese optics people to have made optics made for laboratory work. He told me that with the Chinese you get what you ask for- if you want quick and cheap then that's the quality you get. If you ask for the highest quality, then that's what you get. He had better luck having the Chinese make precision lenses and prisms for quantum physics labs than he did with "name" German outfits.
I remember people squawking way back when Japanese optics/cameras got the upper hand on American made stuff. Now the fall guy is the Chinese. I wonder who it'll be in another 40 years? The Brazilians, or perhaps the Moroccans? Maybe the Romanians. Personally, I don't care whose "made by" sticker is on a piece of equipment, as long as it works and hits a price point I can afford.
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I know a guy who contracts with Chinese optics people to have made optics made for laboratory work. He told me that with the Chinese you get what you ask for- if you want quick and cheap then that's the quality you get. If you ask for the highest quality, then that's what you get. He had better luck having the Chinese make precision lenses and prisms for quantum physics labs than he did with "name" German outfits.
I remember people squawking way back when Japanese optics/cameras got the upper hand on American made stuff. Now the fall guy is the Chinese. I wonder who it'll be in another 40 years? The Brazilians, or perhaps the Moroccans? Maybe the Romanians. Personally, I don't care whose "made by" sticker is on a piece of equipment, as long as it works and hits a price point I can afford. I can agree with that statement. Especially the price point issue. Not every man can afford "alpha" products.
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And some "alpha" products are made in Japan, including some that have been made there for many years.
Saying this or that country makes junk optics hasn't been true for a long time, due to the realities of global manufacturing.
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If the Norks keep it up, they'll have plenty of glass for the Chinese to use.
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I am not sure this has been posted on here before, but the news is Vortex is now having all of their optics made in China.
The Razor and Viper binoculars at least have been made in Japan, for many years.
This is not good news.
How is the Razor going to compete with all of the nice midrange binoculars, such as the Zeiss Conquest HD, Leica Trinovid, GPO, Maven, Tract, Monarch HD, Meopta Meostar. They are all made in Japan or Europe.
These are all in the $999.00 range.
Who is going to pay that for a China made Razor ? From Vortex's website: "Nearly every component in the AMG, from the index-matched lenses to smallest screw, is engineered, machined, and assembled in the USA. The only component from outside the USA is the German manufactured reticle. If you're looking for a top-tier long-range precision riflescope, look no further than the Razor HD AMG." http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/razor_hd_amg_riflescopeJohn
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I am not sure this has been posted on here before, but the news is Vortex is now having all of their optics made in China.
The Razor and Viper binoculars at least have been made in Japan, for many years.
This is not good news.
How is the Razor going to compete with all of the nice midrange binoculars, such as the Zeiss Conquest HD, Leica Trinovid, GPO, Maven, Tract, Monarch HD, Meopta Meostar. They are all made in Japan or Europe.
These are all in the $999.00 range.
Who is going to pay that for a China made Razor ? From Vortex's website: "Nearly every component in the AMG, from the index-matched lenses to smallest screw, is engineered, machined, and assembled in the USA. The only component from outside the USA is the German manufactured reticle. If you're looking for a top-tier long-range precision riflescope, look no further than the Razor HD AMG." http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/razor_hd_amg_riflescopeJohn John: Did you notice we are talking Vortex binoculars.
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I should have been more clear, when/if(pretty sure it's when) Vortex makes a good 3-9x40(ish) or fixed 4 or 6 power optic in the US I'll buy it. Really the only optics(other than binos) that I use.
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I am not sure this has been posted on here before, but the news is Vortex is now having all of their optics made in China.
The Razor and Viper binoculars at least have been made in Japan, for many years.
This is not good news.
How is the Razor going to compete with all of the nice midrange binoculars, such as the Zeiss Conquest HD, Leica Trinovid, GPO, Maven, Tract, Monarch HD, Meopta Meostar. They are all made in Japan or Europe.
These are all in the $999.00 range.
Who is going to pay that for a China made Razor ? From Vortex's website: "Nearly every component in the AMG, from the index-matched lenses to smallest screw, is engineered, machined, and assembled in the USA. The only component from outside the USA is the German manufactured reticle. If you're looking for a top-tier long-range precision riflescope, look no further than the Razor HD AMG." http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/razor_hd_amg_riflescopeJohn I see those AMG models are very spendy. Not sure of their quality. Vortex has never been in my sights.
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I am not sure this has been posted on here before, but the news is Vortex is now having all of their optics made in China.
The Razor and Viper binoculars at least have been made in Japan, for many years. John: Did you notice we are talking Vortex binoculars.
I missed that given that the very first line in the OP says "all of their optics." John
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I just got a new Vortex Razor HD 27-60x80 spotting scope...says assembled in USA on bottom
It seems really sharp to me but I will test it out tomorrow spotting antelope. They're assembled by meopta in the US. They still use the same glass as the earlier Razors..
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I am not sure this has been posted on here before, but the news is Vortex is now having all of their optics made in China.
The Razor and Viper binoculars at least have been made in Japan, for many years. John: Did you notice we are talking Vortex binoculars.
I missed that given that the very first line in the OP says "all of their optics." John
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" Vortex has never been in my sights."
Yet you post completely wrong info about them......brilliant!
I don't even own a Vortex product, so I'm not defending them. I just think it was an idiotic thread to start, all things considered. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's OK to just not say anything.
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" Vortex has never been in my sights."
Yet you post completely wrong info about them......brilliant!
I don't even own a Vortex product, so I'm not defending them. I just think it was an idiotic thread to start, all things considered. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's OK to just not say anything.
Jeff Pretty obvious Vortex was in his sights... If a schit slinger has sights...
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" Vortex has never been in my sights."
Yet you post completely wrong info about them......brilliant!
I don't even own a Vortex product, so I'm not defending them. I just think it was an idiotic thread to start, all things considered. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's OK to just not say anything.
Jeff Pretty obvious Vortex was in his sights... If a schit slinger has sights... Don't complain about farmers with your mouth full. Feeding the world is our bread and butter.
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" Vortex has never been in my sights."
Yet you post completely wrong info about them......brilliant!
I don't even own a Vortex product, so I'm not defending them. I just think it was an idiotic thread to start, all things considered. If you don't know what you're talking about, it's OK to just not say anything.
Jeff Pretty obvious Vortex was in his sights... If a schit slinger has sights... Don't complain about farmers with your mouth full. Feeding the world is our bread and butter. Farmers get a pass for saying stupid schit completely unrelated to farming in your World? They do not in my World.
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I just got a pair of Viper HD 10x42's from Cabela's. They say made in China
And they also seem like a great set of glass.
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