24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,623
N
NTG Offline
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
N
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,623
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by NTG
I've had recent, good luck with Staball 6.5. Varget is good too. I've tried B.G. a lot and can't get it to shoot well for me (to the point that I'd gladly trade it). I don't know if it's because I have a 24" barrel?

What's your load data, experience with StaBALL in the 7-08?

I have a couple of cans, currently using BG, never got around to trying it.

Inquiring Loony minds want to know.... grin

DF

So I worked up to 52 gr with the Nos120. All the groups hover .6 - .75. I'm getting 3130 fps, SD of 11 with it. I know I could go 1 grain more with hodgdens data if I wanted to, but I haven't gone there. I'm using Starline brass and slight compression at 52 gr.

I've planned to try it with some 139btsp but they shot so good with RL16 that I've not tried it yet.

Last edited by NTG; 05/24/21.
GB1

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,819
R
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
R
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,819
3 7-08’s here and they all shoot 44gr of RL15 and the 120 NBT. No reason to change.


Roy

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,980
C
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
C
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,980
45 grains of varget [Linked Image]

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
D
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
D
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
Yeah, hard to beat perfection....

That's one reason I haven't tried more combos in my rifles. When I find a real winner, it's hard to keep looking. So, I understand.

StaBALL seems to be faster in some rounds, especially the 6.5 CM, but you can't always tell what a niche powder like that is going to do in other rounds.

Hodgdon data does show StaBALL as top performer in the 7-08.

Here's their data by bullet weight:

120 gr. with 53 gr, (compressed) gives 3,200 fps at a pressure of 54.8K
140 gr. with 48.5 gr, (not compressed) gives 2,976 fps at 59K
150 gr. with 48.5 gr, (not compressed) gives 2,900 fps at 58.9K

Interesting that the same charge has slightly less pressure, 150's vs. 140's. I guess we'd need to look at specific bullet types.

With 150's, the best Hodgdon velocities (other than StaBALL) are with H-4350 at 2,550 fps and Varget at 2,500 fps So, StaBALL reportedly beats H-4350 by 350 fps, max load compared to max load.

Of course, Hodgdon doesn't give BG data.... Pharmseller posts 46.2 gr. BG with the 150 ELDX, moving at 2,790 fps and very accurate. So, maybe StaBALL even runs faster than BG. Of course, accuracy isn't addressed with these data.

Maybe I do need to try StaBALL in my 7-08...

Interesting Loony stuff, for sure.

DF

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,873
Likes: 5
M
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
M
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,873
Likes: 5
Yep, the 140 is a "sticky" Swift.

IC B2

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
D
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
D
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by mathman
Yep, the 140 is a "sticky" Swift.

Thanks, that definitely makes sense.

DF

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,873
Likes: 5
M
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
M
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,873
Likes: 5
The 139 Hornady shows 51 grains, and it's pretty likely the 2.5 grain charge difference isn't from the one grain weight difference.

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
D
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
D
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by mathman
The 139 Hornady shows 51 grains, and it's pretty likely the 2.5 grain charge difference isn't from the one grain weight difference.

Do those 139's have less shank engaging the rifling, less resistance?

DF

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 13,209
Likes: 3
P
Campfire Outfitter
Online Content
Campfire Outfitter
P
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 13,209
Likes: 3
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer


Here's their data by bullet weight:

120 gr. with 53 gr, (compressed) gives 3,200 fps at a pressure of 54.8K
140 gr. with 48.5 gr, (not compressed) gives 2,976 fps at 59K
150 gr. with 48.5 gr, (not compressed) gives 2,900 fps at 58.9K


DF


I’m going to call BS on their data.

I’ve read quite a bit on other shooter’s real-world experience. No one is getting that kind of velocity on 140 or 150 gr bullets.

Reminds me of Weatherby’s factory ammo claims.

Aggressive embellishments.




P


Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved.

~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Member #547
Join date 3/09/2001
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,873
Likes: 5
M
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
M
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,873
Likes: 5
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by mathman
The 139 Hornady shows 51 grains, and it's pretty likely the 2.5 grain charge difference isn't from the one grain weight difference.

Do those 139's have less shank engaging the rifling, less resistance?

DF


They are also standard jacket gilding metal which is also less grabby than copper Swift jackets.

IC B3

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
D
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
D
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer


Here's their data by bullet weight:

120 gr. with 53 gr, (compressed) gives 3,200 fps at a pressure of 54.8K
140 gr. with 48.5 gr, (not compressed) gives 2,976 fps at 59K
150 gr. with 48.5 gr, (not compressed) gives 2,900 fps at 58.9K


DF


I’m going to call BS on their data.

I’ve read quite a bit on other shooter’s real-world experience. No one is getting that kind of velocity on 140 or 150 gr bullets.

Reminds me of Weatherby’s factory ammo claims.

Aggressive embellishments.




P

Seemed pretty aggressive to me. That’s near 7RM speeds out of the small block, 7-08.

Displacement rules, variables otherwise adjusted for, such as pressure.

I haven’t tried it yet.

DF

Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,130
A
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
A
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,130
Originally Posted by RTSJ
3 7-08’s here and they all shoot 44gr of RL15 and the 120 NBT. No reason to change.


Roy


Same for my rifle....It'll shoot 3 into a small ragged hole @ 100 yds!

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,199
T
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
T
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,199
My daughter's RAR is scary accurate with 44 grns of Varget, CCI 200 primer.

It kills elk and deer stone dead.

The girl can shoot.

Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 953
V
Campfire Regular
Online Content
Campfire Regular
V
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 953
I have great loads in my ss 700 sps with BG as others have posted. I actually get the best accuracy with BG at 49 gr, which gives me just over 3k FPS. When I pushed it to 51.5 gr I was getting 3/4” accuracy at 3175ish, but had 2 bullets come apart in does I shot at roughly 50 yards. Others have had better luck with the bullet staying together. I decided to dial it back with 45 gr of IMR 4350. Accuracy is excellent at 2800 FPS and I believe the bullet will work very well at that speed for the small Virginia deer I shoot inside of 200 yards.

Although the powder has not been mentioned before, I have tried to conserve powder with 38 gr of VVN140. Shooting about 2600 FPS with tiny groups. Very easy to shoot, and should be easy on the gun and brass. Might get a few more loads to a pound of powder too. Sierras load data with 120’s shows a number of loads in the 2600 FPS range that use relatively light charges, including imr4064 and varget.

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
D
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
D
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by vabowhntr
I have great loads in my ss 700 sps with BG as others have posted. I actually get the best accuracy with BG at 49 gr, which gives me just over 3k FPS. When I pushed it to 51.5 gr I was getting 3/4” accuracy at 3175ish, but had 2 bullets come apart in does I shot at roughly 50 yards. Others have had better luck with the bullet staying together. I decided to dial it back with 45 gr of IMR 4350. Accuracy is excellent at 2800 FPS and I believe the bullet will work very well at that speed for the small Virginia deer I shoot inside of 200 yards.

Although the powder has not been mentioned before, I have tried to conserve powder with 38 gr of VVN140. Shooting about 2600 FPS with tiny groups. Very easy to shoot, and should be easy on the gun and brass. Might get a few more loads to a pound of powder too. Sierras load data with 120’s shows a number of loads in the 2600 FPS range that use relatively light charges, including imr4064 and varget.

Originally Posted by vabowhntr
I have great loads in my ss 700 sps with BG as others have posted. I actually get the best accuracy with BG at 49 gr, which gives me just over 3k FPS. When I pushed it to 51.5 gr I was getting 3/4” accuracy at 3175ish, but had 2 bullets come apart in does I shot at roughly 50 yards. Others have had better luck with the bullet staying together. I decided to dial it back with 45 gr of IMR 4350. Accuracy is excellent at 2800 FPS and I believe the bullet will work very well at that speed for the small Virginia deer I shoot inside of 200 yards.

Although the powder has not been mentioned before, I have tried to conserve powder with 38 gr of VVN140. Shooting about 2600 FPS with tiny groups. Very easy to shoot, and should be easy on the gun and brass. Might get a few more loads to a pound of powder too. Sierras load data with 120’s shows a number of loads in the 2600 FPS range that use relatively light charges, including imr4064 and varget.

Vv 140 real close to BG burn rate.

DF

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 28,265
Likes: 7
J
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
J
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 28,265
Likes: 7
I'm one of those that, in spite of the 120BT's toughness, doesn't like to red line it. I'm perfectly content with 3000fps or thereabouts, and much more interested in accuracy. I've lost count of the number of animals I've killed with that bullet (killed 17 whitetail does in one weekend with it) and the majority of them that were "caught" inside the animal had the core separated from the jacket. No biggie, as they are a game killing machine.


It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 12,664
D
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
D
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 12,664
I load the 120gr BT with 50gr of H4350 and a WLR primer for my Rem 7600 and stainless Ruger Hawkeye Ultra-Light 7mm-08s.


The Karma bus always has an empty seat when it comes around.- High Brass

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
D
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
D
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 37,165
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by JGRaider
I'm one of those that, in spite of the 120BT's toughness, doesn't like to red line it. I'm perfectly content with 3000fps or thereabouts, and much more interested in accuracy. I've lost count of the number of animals I've killed with that bullet (killed 17 whitetail does in one weekend with it) and the majority of them that were "caught" inside the animal had the core separated from the jacket. No biggie, as they are a game killing machine.

I hear that.

My BG loads are fast enough and very accurate. It would be hard to change something that works so well.

DF

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 822
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 822
44 grs REL-15 here in a Tikka T3



Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 32
K
Campfire Greenhorn
Offline
Campfire Greenhorn
K
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 32
48g h4350,139 interlock or sst, sako a7. Tested up to 50g with little to no pressure. 48 is 1/2" @100

Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

577 members (16penny, 1234, 160user, 06hunter59, 12344mag, 1beaver_shooter, 61 invisible), 1,905 guests, and 1,164 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,192,884
Posts18,497,822
Members73,980
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.137s Queries: 56 (0.002s) Memory: 0.9084 MB (Peak: 1.0264 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-05-08 15:00:39 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS