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I expect the scope that I purchase to not have a canted reticle.



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Then make all of this easy, and send it back. Let us know what they say.

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Originally Posted by CGPAUL
Then make all of this easy, and send it back. Let us know what they say.

3 degrees; I fear they'll say it's in spec.


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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
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Unless you plan to dial the turrets much. Then a 3 degree (i.e., 180 MOA) cant is a problem.

Can you provide an example of how much of a problem at 500 yards in inches off target.
Assuming the reticle is mounted level, of whatever “elevation” is dialed in, ~95% will be actual elevation and ~5% will be windage.

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Originally Posted by Phil11
It happens. Most people have had very good results from Leupold warranty. Like cars defects occour.

I've had great results with the Leupold warranty as well; however, I don't think 3 degrees of cant is covered as it's a VX-R. Unless something has changed, only the Mark 6 and Mark 8s are held to 1 degree—everything else is 3 degrees.

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Originally Posted by Sandlapper
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It happens. Most people have had very good results from Leupold warranty. Like cars defects occour.

I've had great results with the Leupold warranty as well; however, I don't think 3 degrees of cant is covered as it's a VX-R. Unless something has changed, only the Mark 6 and Mark 8s are held to 1 degree—everything else is 3 degrees.

That's my understanding as well, hence my reply above.


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Sandlapper: Me thinks that thou dost try to find problems with Leupold scopes when there isn't one!
The scope body is round simply rotate the scope body in the rings until your perceived problem is nil - sheesh.
The "angle" of the top of a scope adjustment cap will NOT interfere with your shooting/accuracy EVER! At least it has never done so for me in 62+ years of shooting Rifles with scopes on them.
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Originally Posted by Phil11
Most people have had very good results from Leupold warranty..

God knows consumers need it a lot lately.


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Leupold's position is that 3° isn't even 1% of how far it could be off.

This scope is in the 99th percentile.

You got a good one!


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The best answer/solution was the "Tall Target Test". Square the reticule/POI if needed, or send it back.
Altho I`ve only sent a few scopes back for repair, and they were repaired, or replaced, never had a company tell me it was in "spec" and return the defected one to me. VERY bad advertizing.

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Originally Posted by Pahntr760
The turret housing isn't where the reticle is, though...

Yep.

Reticle needs to be square with the adjustments during movement.


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If the reticle is canted, you can NOT consistently use the vertical turret adjustment in the field and expect to hit. If you're not shooting past 250 yards or so, it's okay to plumb up the reticle to the action and do "Arkansas," I have, but reticles should be mechanically square to the scope BEFORE they're boxed and shipped.


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I always open threads with the name "Leupold" in the title for the sole purpose of reading people losing their minds both pro and anti. This one has been disappointing, from the aforementioned perspective, in that it has contained a "mostly" reasonable and intelligent discussion. I guess I'll go open a thread in the Hunter's Campfire to get my daily dose of hate and discontent.


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Originally Posted by MikeS
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Could always try it out. Mount with level crosshairs and then head down the range. If horizontal adjustment only gives some vertical movement as well (or visa versa) then there's a problem.


Correct, this sort of test is the only way to know for sure at longer ranges. I would run a " tall target" test at 100 yards to see if it is correctly tracking vertically, that is the groups track along a plumb line you draw on the target as you add elevation. I usually check to the 30 moa elevation point above the 100 yard zero.

I put a collimator in front of the scope just to see what the vertical tracking is doing if the reticle were leveled—it's tracking in-line with the elevation turret, at that same 3 degree off-plumb line.

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3 degrees of cant = a steaming pile of crap. How's that? I have some scopes which are 60+years old and some that are cheap Chinese junk. I don't have any with the reticle off by 3 degrees. GD

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Originally Posted by Sandlapper
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Could always try it out. Mount with level crosshairs and then head down the range. If horizontal adjustment only gives some vertical movement as well (or visa versa) then there's a problem.


Correct, this sort of test is the only way to know for sure at longer ranges. I would run a " tall target" test at 100 yards to see if it is correctly tracking vertically, that is the groups track along a plumb line you draw on the target as you add elevation. I usually check to the 30 moa elevation point above the 100 yard zero.

I put a collimator in front of the scope just to see what the vertical tracking is doing if the reticle were leveled—it's tracking in-line with the elevation turret, at that same 3 degree off-plumb line.
So to be clear, the only thing that is "canted" is the bottom of the scope's turret saddle, a curved surface, is that right? Did you try turning the scope over and standing it on the turret cap?

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Originally Posted by TheBigSky
I always open threads with the name "Leupold" in the title for the sole purpose of reading people losing their minds both pro and anti. This one has been disappointing, from the aforementioned perspective, in that it has contained a "mostly" reasonable and intelligent discussion. I guess I'll go open a thread in the Hunter's Campfire to get my daily dose of hate and discontent.

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As long as the vertical and horizontal crosshairs are square, who cares about the body being off.

I use a plumb hung off of this converted 8' feeder hanger set over a t-post. Once I have the scope locked down, I square a target vertically at 100yds and do a box test, if it passes this, I will test it later at the range or the lease at the longest distance I can.

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Originally Posted by Moto_Vita
So to be clear, the only thing that is "canted" is the bottom of the scope's turret saddle, a curved surface, is that right? Did you try turning the scope over and standing it on the turret cap?

The bottom of this scope's turret saddle is flat, not curved. It is my understanding that it's best to level off the bottom of the turret housing if it's flat because the turret caps themselves can change level when rotated.

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