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Spoken like a guy crediting the government barber for saving his life by applying leeches while scoffing at those putting trust in moldy bread.

And.....it was the MAYO clinic recommending......but you knew that.

BOOM! good one...

I'm sure that makes sense to a sore loser.

Human thought and experience determines morality. The values and morality of the early polytheistic tribe of Israel developed over time, as did their concept of god, where the morality of the gods are a reflection of human experience and human beliefs, not an actual god.

In other words, believers create god their own image and their own values.


''Yahweh[a] was an ancient Levantine deity, and national god of the Israelite kingdoms of Israel and Judah.[3] Though no consensus exists regarding the deity's origins,[4] scholars generally contend that Yahweh emerged as a "divine warrior" associated first with Seir, Edom, Paran and Teman,[5] and later with Canaan. The origins of his worship reach at least to the early Iron Age, and likely to the Late Bronze Age, if not somewhat earlier.[6]

In the oldest biblical literature he possesses attributes typically ascribed to weather and war deities, fructifying the land and leading the heavenly army against Israel's enemies.[7] The early Israelites were polytheistic and worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal.[8] In later centuries, El and Yahweh became conflated and El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone,[9] and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into Yahwist religion.[10]

Towards the end of the Babylonian captivity, the existence of other gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed the creator deity and sole divinity to be worshipped.[11] During the Second Temple period, speaking the name of Yahweh in public became regarded as taboo,[12] and Jews instead began to substitute other words, primarily adonai (אֲדֹנָי‬‎, "my Lord"). In Roman times, following the Siege of Jerusalem and destruction of its Temple, in 70 CE, the original pronunciation of the god's name was forgotten entirely.[13]

Yahweh is also invoked in Papyrus Amherst 63, and in Jewish or Jewish-influenced Greco-Egyptian magical texts from the 1st to 5th century CE.[14]'' Wiki - Yahweh




Not that old chestnut. You have God supporting genocide and slaughter one day and condemning it the next.

Morality doesn't work like that.

Besides, in the reported words of Jesus; ''Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.''

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.''

And don't go saying that Jesus fulfilled the law, thereby abolished it in spite of saying that he had not come to abolish the law.

Seems you obviously do not know the deference between the old testament and the new covenant....the new testament....nice try...and deflection is your game, LOL...

Like I stated....Old testament theocracy was unique and temporary....it was not ideal for all times, but a means to a promised new covenant. So if God gave 400 years for the free will Canaanites to get their schiet together, then Gods only choice was to use force to drive them out.....When God said in the old testament to wipe everyone out, you have to realize in the old testament, this is hyperbolic language, because in the next verse it says , "do not inter-marry with them"....HA! so if god just wiped everybody out, then how can one inter-marry with them? So DBT, can you see that back then that the language meant this had to be a decisive victory? It would be like saying today that in a USA football game that the Chiefs annihilate the Rams....so it is just a strong way of saying-they beat them badly...Atheist like you say God is immoral, but if you are an atheist, why do you care? What is your moral compass, or standard? If you are a true atheist then there is no moral standard. But people like you, DBT, might say, "Christians say your God is loving".....So, is God arbitrary or does he give reasons for judging people in the old testament? Hell yes he gives reasons! After 400 years of giving the Canaanites warnings as they were sacrificing their babies/children to their pagan God Molek/Molech, seems God was pissed.....

The Old testament was temporary and was never meant to be the ideal law for all time. If you will note, everything from Exodus 20 to Deuteronomy does not apply to Christians.

Why cannot you answer my questions instead of using a word salad type of answers?

You are the one that ask "If God is a loving God, why the treachery? And my answer was...When God says in the old testament to wipe everyone out, you have to realize in the old testament, this is hyperbolic language, because in the next verse it says , "do not inter-marry with them"....HA! so if god just wiped everybody out, then how can one inter-marry with them? So DBT, can you see that back then that the language meant this had to be a decisive victory? It would be like saying today that in a USA football game that the Chiefs annihilate the Rams....so it is just a strong way of saying-they beat them badly.

I stand by my answers, and again, you can believe what you want to believe and I will do the same.

I believe you guys are playing way out of your league. Edk

That's you. You are too blinded by your religious conditioning to accept that Jesus was a Jew, who said in his own words that he had come not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it.

Fulfil does not mean abolish.

Fulfil means to affirm.

The words of Jesus have him affirming the law of the prophets, not abolishing it.

Again, if the law was superseded by Jesus, his words 'think not that I have come to abolish the law' would be a lie.



So says the king of word salads, who typically misses the point because the point does not suit his theology.



Hyperbolic? That's laugh. The order to slaughter is not hyperbole. The Israelites could not achieve that goal, but the sentiment to slaughter their enemies was the aim.

Does a god of love order or instuct his people to carry out slaughter and genocide? Given the definition of love, obviously not. So it's another contradiction.




Of course you stand by your answers, but that doesn't make them right.


God is love. - 1 John 4:8

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.' 1 Corinthians 13;



''Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’ - 1 Samuel 25:3

You are very confused or a liar...of course Jesus was a Jew....Jesus himself didn't write the Gospels' they are late-first-century accounts that are continually being interpreted.


Of course, but more word salad who is disagreeing? More word salad and deflection.



Ha! what a joke...another lying schemer...at least you got my gender right, that is a first!!!You are the Queen of WORD SALADS...LOL




It absolutely is hyperbolic language...again, and read slowly and carefully....When God says in the old testament to wipe everyone out, you have to realize in the old testament, this is hyperbolic language, because in the next verse it says , "do not inter-marry with them"....HA! so if god just wiped everybody out, then how can one inter-marry with them? So DBT, can you see that back then that the language meant this had to be a decisive victory? It would be like saying today that in a USA football game that the Chiefs annihilate the Rams....so it is just a strong way of saying-they beat them badly.



Maybe, or maybe not...that is my belief....


Of course, no qualms...


Again, this is hyperbolic language...pretty please? again, and read slowly and carefully....When God says in the old testament to wipe everyone out, you have to realize in the old testament, this is hyperbolic language, because in the next verse it says , "do not inter-marry with them"....HA! so if god just wiped everybody out, then how can one inter-marry with them? So DBT, can you see that back then that the language meant this had to be a decisive victory? It would be like saying today that in a USA football game that the Chiefs annihilate the Rams....so it is just a strong way of saying-they beat them badly.

Man his pussy hurts bad.

Well, Raspette brought it upon herself - being logically slaughtered with her own flawed propaganda material.

Their only recourse is denial and attack in the hope of appearing relevant.

Comes to an American forum as an atheist and attacks Christian members and gets butthurt by the backlash.
STFU you whingy Bogan didgeridoo sucker.
Lol

Pot meet kettle.

You still mistake reasonable scepticism and questioning for attack.

It is not.

As it happens, it is your your lot that can't tolerate basic logic and reason, get their knickers in a twist and go on Jihad. Then play the victim card for all it's worth...."boo, hoo, you come onto our forum and hurt our feelings, sob."

Amazing....are you having a meltdown?

Just look at the word salads you produce in defense of the indefensible....does irony ring a bell?

Why is it hyperbole when we read that God orders slaughter? Is every contradiction to be brushed off as hyperbole?

Your hyperbole defense is laughable.

You still fail to grasp that Yahweh began as a tribal god of war, the god of Israel, who were polytheistic during the early period of the religion.


''The Lord is a man of war,'' Exodus 15:3.

"The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: He shall cry, yea roar; He shall prevail against His enemies". Isaiah 42:13

''So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, 18but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man.'' - Numbers 31:18

Hyperbole? No, just a reflection on the brutality of life in that period.

Again;

''Yahweh was an ancient Levantine deity, and national god of the Israelite kingdoms of Israel and Judah.[3] Though no consensus exists regarding the deity's origins,[4] scholars generally contend that Yahweh emerged as a "divine warrior" associated first with Seir, Edom, Paran and Teman,[5] and later with Canaan. The origins of his worship reach at least to the early Iron Age, and likely to the Late Bronze Age, if not somewhat earlier.[6]

In the oldest biblical literature he possesses attributes typically ascribed to weather and war deities, fructifying the land and leading the heavenly army against Israel's enemies.[7] The early Israelites were polytheistic and worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal.[8] In later centuries, El and Yahweh became conflated and El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone,[9] and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into Yahwist religion.[10]

Towards the end of the Babylonian captivity, the existence of other gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed the creator deity and sole divinity to be worshipped.[11] During the Second Temple period, speaking the name of Yahweh in public became regarded as taboo,[12] and Jews instead began to substitute other words, primarily adonai (אֲדֹנָי‬‎, "my Lord"). In Roman times, following the Siege of Jerusalem and destruction of its Temple, in 70 CE, the original pronunciation of the god's name was forgotten entirely.[13]

Yahweh is also invoked in Papyrus Amherst 63, and in Jewish or Jewish-influenced Greco-Egyptian magical texts from the 1st to 5th century CE.'' - Yahweh, Wikipedia.



"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." Susan B. Anthony

''And why does this same God tell me how to raise my children when he had to drown his?'' - Robert Green Ingersoll

''Do you not know that every religion in the world has declared every other religion a fraud? Yes, we all know it. That is the time all religions tell the truth - each of the other.'' - Robert Green Ingersoll

So says the atheists who doesn't know his/her own gender....and your purpose is not to inform, because, according to you, there is nothing to be informed about. No, your purpose is to agitate, aggravate, and disrupt.

Oh, you are soooo confused...now my gender is female, HA!, LOL...You undermine the foundation of your argument without realizing what you are doing....and most importantly, you are blind to your own folly. I suggest that you have a good hard look at yourself before pointing the finger at others.

Thank you.

Pretty sure he smeared vegemite on his xbox controls crafting his hurried reply but no worries, his mom will make him another sammy.

Absolutely correct...DBT is so confused, LOL!

Ha!, LOL, that makes people rolling on the floor laughing, LOL