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Posted By: pahick Fish Oil - 08/27/14
This the good stuff? Cost me $32 worth it? Damn sure tastes a bit better than the fish burp pills.

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Posted By: slumlord Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Chase it with shot of Stoli

Posted By: vbshootinrange Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Been taking MegaRed omega 3 Krill oil, Made by Schiff.
100 softgels for $23. at Costco.

Way better than the fishie tasting softgels, and work just as good.

Virgil B.
Posted By: poboy Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Bass-o-Matic is cheaper.
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Ya'll believe in that Megared stuff? The EPA/DHA aint even close to whats in this stuff. Is Krill oil ingredients that much more powerful than fish oil at near doses? I think the Megareds a gimmick.
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by slumlord
Chase it with shot of Stoli



Really dont have to, this tastes pretty good. And I dont drink, thinkin about starting again though grin
Posted By: MuskegMan Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14

I just eat fish. cool
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Ms Pauls fish sticks are about as close to eatin fish I get....lol. Seriously, tried crappie, lm bass, trout...pretty much all thats local and I cant stomach it.
Posted By: rem141r Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by vbshootinrange
Been taking MegaRed omega 3 Krill oil, Made by Schiff.
100 softgels for $23. at Costco.

Way better than the fishie tasting softgels, and work just as good.

Virgil B.


how do you know? i think all this fish oil crap is bunk along with the vitamins, supplements, etc. eat right and you don't need all that stuff.
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Dr Oz said Krill Oils good, so it must be true. But wheres the studies? Hes makin money just like the rest of the docs out there.
Posted By: rem141r Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Dr Oz is right up there with Dr Phil and Oprah and that celebrity rehab guy.
Posted By: VernAK Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
My Doc prescribed Lovaza a decade ago......no cholesterol problems......I had an ablation for A Fib a while back and the Doc said things were really looking good and to continue with fish oil.

My older brother had by-pass three years ago.
Posted By: atvalaska Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-sup...a-linolenic-acid/background/hrb-20059372
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Lovaza is predominantly a combination of ethyl esters of EPA (465 mg) and DHA (375 mg). Each capsule contains 60 mg of other omega-3 fatty acids, and the remaining 10% comprises mostly omega-6 fatty acids.

So my fish oil has more of whats important(EPA/DHA)?
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14


Thats where I read about fish oils and how good they are. My latest bloods..

Trigylcerides 289
Cholesterol 250
HDL 36
LDL 156
Chol HDL Ratio 6.94

Figured it was time to try fish oil.
Posted By: slumlord Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Holy crap

Take a knee is gonna rip you a new one

laugh
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by MuskegMan

I just eat fish. cool
Eggs from pastured hens contain .66 grams of Omega 3 per egg. Eat three, and you've had a natural dose of Omega 3 greater than from one of those fish oil pills. Non-pastured hens only have one-third that much Omega 3, so you'd need nine of those daily to match a fish oil pill. Pastured hens get the Omega 3 from eating wild greens, seeds, bugs, and grubs, all day.
Posted By: slumlord Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
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Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by slumlord
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I spread that on saltines. Delicious.
Posted By: rem141r Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
eat a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast, a salad for lunch, a peice of fruit or two during the day and some broiled chicken or lean red meat and lots of veg's for dinner. exercise 30-60 min a day doing cardio or weights and all your numbers will be fine and you will be a middle-aged stud like me who can outrun and out work people half my age.

or spend big bucks on magic pills that are made from polluted fish parts that were dragged off the processing floor and call it a day.

Dr. Rem
Posted By: Mink Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by vbshootinrange
Been taking MegaRed omega 3 Krill oil, Made by Schiff.
100 softgels for $23. at Costco.

Way better than the fishie tasting softgels, and work just as good.

Virgil B.


This though I buy the generic version at Wally World.
Posted By: 4ager Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
In addition to the Mayo Clinic report, take a peek here: http://hub.jhu.edu/2013/12/17/vitamins-might-be-harmful

Eat well, eat right, and well balanced. Work out, and take care of yourself. That will go FAR further than some snake oil you get in a bottle or a pill.
Posted By: 603Country Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
My doctor has me on Lovaza. Blood has looked better since then. One thing to mention is that after you've just taken the Lovaza, do not eat Peanut Butter. That is truly a bad mix of stuff.
Posted By: RWE Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by 4ager
That will go FAR further than some snake oil you get in a bottle or a pill.


Dude, were talking fish oil here.

Not snake.
Posted By: slumlord Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by 603Country
My doctor has me on Lovaza. Blood has looked better since then. One thing to mention is that after you've just taken the Lovaza, do not eat Peanut Butter. That is truly a bad mix of stuff.
why?

What happens?



Posted By: 4ager Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by RWE
Originally Posted by 4ager
That will go FAR further than some snake oil you get in a bottle or a pill.


Dude, were talking fish oil here.

Not snake.


Could (perhaps should?) be one of these:

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Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by rem141r
eat a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast, a salad for lunch, a peice of fruit or two during the day and some broiled chicken or lean red meat and lots of veg's for dinner. exercise 30-60 min a day doing cardio or weights and all your numbers will be fine and you will be a middle-aged stud like me who can outrun and out work people half my age.

or spend big bucks on magic pills that are made from polluted fish parts that were dragged off the processing floor and call it a day.

Dr. Rem
You got it right.
Posted By: hatari Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Omega-3s have been proven to be a benefit. By your numbers, you need to talk to yout MD about some statins.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by hatari
Omega-3s have been proven to be a benefit. By your numbers, you need to talk to yout MD about some statins.
Are you operating under the long debunked myth that dietary cholesterol has an effect on blood cholesterol, or the long debunked myth that blood cholesterol has anything to do with cardiovascular disease, or a combination of the two? wink
Posted By: 603Country Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Slumlord, all day I was burping up a greasy mix of fishy tasting peanut butter. Nasty.
Posted By: 22WRF Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
your body, if relatively healthy, can make all of the fatty acids it needs from two essential fatty acids: linoleic acid and linolenic acid.

You probably get enough of these two acids if you eat a well balanced diet. One of the best foods to eat would be freshly ground flax seeds.

High doses of Lovasa have been used in an attempt to lower high triglycerides. High triglycerides mask true cholesterol levels and may be a contributor to atherosclerosis and arteriosclerosis.
Posted By: crossfireoops Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by pahick
This the good stuff? Cost me $32 worth it? Damn sure tastes a bit better than the fish burp pills.

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Attracts big dogs
Posted By: BeanMan Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
I'll stick with flax seed oil. I hate burping nasty fish taste.
Posted By: hatari Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by hatari
Omega-3s have been proven to be a benefit. By your numbers, you need to talk to yout MD about some statins.
Are you operating under the long debunked myth that dietary cholesterol has an effect on blood cholesterol, or the long debunked myth that blood cholesterol has anything to do with cardiovascular disease, or a combination of the two? wink


Oh Gawd, here we go again. Would it help to mention that statins have cardio protect benefits that go beyond lowering Cholesterol? Probably not.

Nolite mittere margaritas ante porcos. smirk

Learned that, inter alia, at the Medical College of Georgia. You?
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by hatari
Omega-3s have been proven to be a benefit. By your numbers, you need to talk to yout MD about some statins.



No way im taking statins. Seen enough BS from them in relatives. No one in my family, on either side, tolerate them at all for some reason.

Ill go the red yeast rice, niacin, and fish oil route first. Figured id try this fish oil and see what it tasted like, and get ya'lls opinion on it.
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by crossfireoops


Attracts big dogs


If thems police dogs guess I wont have to worry bout the fish oil then...lol.
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by slumlord
Holy crap

Take a knee is gonna rip you a new one

laugh


Pretty sure TAK has me on ignore, the filthy foookin cum guzzlin sperm burpin sob
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by slumlord
Holy crap. Take a knee is gonna rip you a new one.



grin grin
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by MuskegMan

I just eat fish. cool
Eggs from pastured hens contain .66 grams of Omega 3 per egg. Eat three, and you've had a natural dose of Omega 3 greater than from one of those fish oil pills. Non-pastured hens only have one-third that much Omega 3, so you'd need nine of those daily to match a fish oil pill. Pastured hens get the Omega 3 from eating wild greens, seeds, bugs, and grubs, all day.


All Omega 3's and all "Omega 3 eggs" are not created equal, so read the label and see how much DHA/EPA vs. ALA you're getting. According to this, some "Omega 3 eggs" are produced by feeding hens ground flaxseed, and have a lot more ALA than DHA, which is what you want:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...ice-or-marketing-gimmick/article4574714/
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by 4ager
In addition to the Mayo Clinic report, take a peek here: http://hub.jhu.edu/2013/12/17/vitamins-might-be-harmful

Eat well, eat right, and well balanced. Work out, and take care of yourself. That will go FAR further than some snake oil you get in a bottle or a pill.


Multivitamins, ill agree with the article. Most dont carry therapeutic levels of many vitamins and minerals that some folks need. Case in point....

With my GERD issue(which really isnt GERD, but caustic burns, the irritaion messes with the vagus nerve, increasing heart rate at times) I am now back on Nexium. PPI's like Nexium deplete Magnesium, and Calcium. But my bloods showed Calcium spot on, Magnesium was borderline low, BEFORE taking Nexium. So now I take 600mg Cal, throw in 5000IU of D3, 600 mg Mag Glycinate. Oh and 600mg CoQ10 just in case.

Posted By: Jim in Idaho Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
How did our ancestors survive without all of these pills?

I like the paleo-supplement diet. I only take vitamin pills and supplements that would have been found in the wild 50,000 years ago...
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
How does this fit in?...

http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-sup...alpha-linolenic-acid/dosing/hrb-20059372
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
How did our ancestors survive without all of these pills?

I like the paleo-supplement diet. I only take vitamin pills and supplements that would have been found in the wild 50,000 years ago...


They ate right, just like the local farmers, which most passed in late 80s to 90s unless they got trapped in machinery.

I dont cook, and eat schit(Hoss's, Chili's, McDonalds, Taco Bell, KFC, local steak houses and small mom and pops)


and I smoke.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by 4ager
In addition to the Mayo Clinic report, take a peek here: http://hub.jhu.edu/2013/12/17/vitamins-might-be-harmful

Eat well, eat right, and well balanced. Work out, and take care of yourself. That will go FAR further than some snake oil you get in a bottle or a pill.


I guess I don't understand the aversion to fish oil. People say "eat well" and that would include wild salmon and fish like sardines with lots of Omega 3's, several times a week. Not everyone can do that, and fish oil is just the concentrated stuff that's good for you from those fish.

So yes, eat right, exercise right, sleep right. But it's not an either/or proposition, why not take fish oil too?

Here's a good cheap source:

http://www.allstarhealth.com/de_p_r...ar2dnszk3frPdcTOGK9JDtTEhgc7RRoC6M_w_wcB
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by smokepole


Reviews on Amazon folks said they get the fish burps with it. Guess I could freeze em first, but someone did the math and said the oil I got was cheaper oil vs cap. But this brand does have a good amount of the good stuff. If thats in 2 pill serving 2 morning 2 night wouldnt be too bad. 2 months worth for 'round $20
Posted By: plainsman456 Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
If you want to lower the bad stuff in your blood just eat a handful of raw walnuts.
They do a very good job and in no way taste like fish bait,with or without peanut butter. grin

The walnuts can be found in the cooking isle at the store.
You can take them everywhere and they won't offend anyone but the almond growers. laugh
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
I get the occasional fish burps but they don't bother me. Hell, I've burped up much worse than that, LOL!
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by plainsman456
If you want to lower the bad stuff in your blood just eat a handful of raw walnuts.


I eat walnuts and almonds daily. Thing is though, the Omega 3's in those are ALA, not DHA/EPA. You really need DHA/EPA in your diet too.
Posted By: atvalaska Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by rem141r
eat a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast, a salad for lunch, a peice of fruit or two during the day and some broiled chicken or lean red meat and lots of veg's for dinner. exercise 30-60 min a day doing cardio or weights and all your numbers will be fine and you will be a middle-aged stud like me who can outrun and out work people half my age.

or spend big bucks on magic pills that are made from polluted fish parts that were dragged off the processing floor and call it a day.

Dr. Rem
god u must be no fun at all...and ya didn't even say the word beer ...not one time...nada.... sad chit indeed ...
Posted By: pira114 Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
I take fish pills. I don't even remember why, but my doc said go for it. Hope it wasn't to improve memory.

I don't mind the fish burps. Rarely get them as far as I can recall. I probably don't even notice.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by hatari
Omega-3s have been proven to be a benefit. By your numbers, you need to talk to yout MD about some statins.
Are you operating under the long debunked myth that dietary cholesterol has an effect on blood cholesterol, or the long debunked myth that blood cholesterol has anything to do with cardiovascular disease, or a combination of the two? wink


Oh Gawd, here we go again. Would it help to mention that statins have cardio protect benefits that go beyond lowering Cholesterol? Probably not.
It has a generalized anti-inflammatory effect, which would benefit the heart, but then no anti-inflammatory would be needed absent a high starch diet to begin with, and then there are the harmful effects of statins to contend with, such as the suppression of co-q-10, and who knows what else.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by smokepole
All Omega 3's and all "Omega 3 eggs" are not created equal, so read the label and see how much DHA/EPA vs. ALA you're getting. According to this, some "Omega 3 eggs" are produced by feeding hens ground flaxseed, and have a lot more ALA than DHA, which is what you want:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...ice-or-marketing-gimmick/article4574714/
I'm speaking of hens that spend the day on a natural pasture, like mine do. Tests have shown that hens raised in this way reliably produce eggs with about .66 grams of Omega 3. That's triple the amount found in standard grocery story eggs. This is due to the consumption of natural wild foods such as bugs, grubs, seeds, and wild greens.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
How did our ancestors survive without all of these pills?

I like the paleo-supplement diet. I only take vitamin pills and supplements that would have been found in the wild 50,000 years ago...
There you go. cool
Posted By: BOWSINGER Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
I used the cheap fish oil pills until one day I opened a new Wallmart bottle that had spoiled. When I took it back I warned them not to open it indoors.

Was a long time before I wanted any fish of any kind.

Now I use MegaRed Krill oil with no problems except the cost.
So I have switched to MegaRed extra strength 500mg every other day and CoQ10 on the other days.
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Id try the Megared, again, if there was actual proof that it is more efficient in deliver and strength. But from my reading, there just isnt enough proof for me. It definitely doesnt have near the EPA/DHA as the Carlsons I bought. I really wish there was significant proof about krill oil, cause the Megared was easy and no taste.
Posted By: Gibby Re: Fish Oil - 08/27/14
Vascepa-

Best out there. Rx only.

Better have good insurance.
Posted By: BOWSINGER Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
I will have to look for the Carlsons stuff.
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
I will have to look for the Carlsons stuff.


Something to look at, up to you. But I like saving money. Theres a website called Vitacost. They have their brand half the cost of Carlsons...give me a sec and ill see if I can find it.
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Heres the Vitacost brand. Lemon flavor only I think, but for 19.99 I think its a great deal, and if this Carlsons works out, im switching to it.

http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-liquid-finest-fish-oil-omega-3-dha-epa-lemon-16-9-fl-oz
Posted By: rattler Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
How did our ancestors survive without all of these pills?

I like the paleo-supplement diet. I only take vitamin pills and supplements that would have been found in the wild 50,000 years ago...
There you go. cool


most our ancestors died well before they were 50
Posted By: Kodiakisland Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Im a clinical pharmacist with 20 years experience.

I don't take vitamins or fish oil. I do drink a beer a day though. Whatever that's worth. ( I'm sure nothing)
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by smokepole
All Omega 3's and all "Omega 3 eggs" are not created equal, so read the label and see how much DHA/EPA vs. ALA you're getting. According to this, some "Omega 3 eggs" are produced by feeding hens ground flaxseed, and have a lot more ALA than DHA, which is what you want:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...ice-or-marketing-gimmick/article4574714/
I'm speaking of hens that spend the day on a natural pasture, like mine do. Tests have shown that hens raised in this way reliably produce eggs with about .66 grams of Omega 3. That's triple the amount found in standard grocery story eggs. This is due to the consumption of natural wild foods such as bugs, grubs, seeds, and wild greens.


Yes, I understand, you don't need to repeat yourself.

What percentage of your hens' omega-3's are DHA/EPA?

For that matter, what percentage of people reading this live where they can raise chickens in their back yard?
Posted By: Folically_Challenged Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Barleans user, here. They're spoda be real clean about toxins. Hell, they've even submitted to testing by the International Fish Oil Standards Program.

Yeah, sounds like utter bullschidt, but here it is. I've never had a fish oil burp with any product, ever, so I don't know about those.

I hate taking pills, in general, but these aint bad, I don't have to take too many, or too often, and they make both the wife & the Dr. happy. If the fish pills allow me to be around long enough to return aggravation to my children, I'm all for 'em!

As a teenager, I remember my dad chuckling at how many pills his FIL had to take each day. Now Dad takes as many, if not more, than his FIL ever did. As for me, I'm willing to take a few non-Rx pills, if they'll keep me from needing many fistfuls of the the Rx kind.

FC
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
That Carlsons I bought is on that list too under JR Carlsons Labs. That Barleans seems like good stuff, if you get the high EPA/DHA stuff. Otherwise theres much better options.
Posted By: hatari Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
How did our ancestors survive without all of these pills?



Actually, they died young as a rule. The life expectancy of white men in the US in 1900 was 50 years, with 51 years for white women. Non-whites were less.
Posted By: hatari Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by pahick
Originally Posted by hatari
Omega-3s have been proven to be a benefit. By your numbers, you need to talk to yout MD about some statins.



No way im taking statins. Seen enough BS from them in relatives. No one in my family, on either side, tolerate them at all for some reason.



I get the Rhabdo side effects and can't take statins. Wish it were different. Zetia has been a good option for me.
Posted By: pahick Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by hatari


I get the Rhabdo side effects and can't take statins. Wish it were different. Zetia has been a good option for me.


Same with my family. That and sugars start running abnormally high, and dizziness. My dad went the red rice and niacin route and everything fell into normal range. Dropped the niacin and added fish oil and is maintaining nicely. His wife did the same. Now his cousin didnt fare too well with the niacin, gave him problems for some reason. Hes been on fish oil and red rice yeast and is now in normal range too. I hope it works for me. Got the red rice yeast sittin here, but im gonna stick to the fish oil for a couple months and see what happens.
Posted By: hatari Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Good luck with it! Keep you weight in check and watch alcohol consumption. Some people can have raised triglycerides on a small amount of alcohol.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by pahick
Now his cousin didnt fare too well with the niacin, gave him problems for some reason.


Did he start with a low dose, and build up? I had problems with it too at first, dropped down to a lower dose and gradually worked up, problem was solved, for me at least.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by smokepole
All Omega 3's and all "Omega 3 eggs" are not created equal, so read the label and see how much DHA/EPA vs. ALA you're getting. According to this, some "Omega 3 eggs" are produced by feeding hens ground flaxseed, and have a lot more ALA than DHA, which is what you want:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...ice-or-marketing-gimmick/article4574714/
I'm speaking of hens that spend the day on a natural pasture, like mine do. Tests have shown that hens raised in this way reliably produce eggs with about .66 grams of Omega 3. That's triple the amount found in standard grocery story eggs. This is due to the consumption of natural wild foods such as bugs, grubs, seeds, and wild greens.


Yes, I understand, you don't need to repeat yourself.

What percentage of your hens' omega-3's are DHA/EPA?

For that matter, what percentage of people reading this live where they can raise chickens in their back yard?
You can find someone who sells them, too.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by hatari
Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
How did our ancestors survive without all of these pills?



Actually, they died young as a rule. The life expectancy of white men in the US in 1900 was 50 years, with 51 years for white women. Non-whites were less.
Not because they didn't have access to vitamin pills. First of all the average lifespan figure was massively skewed by infant mortality rates, which were extremely high. Then, there was no emergency medicine, so serious injury almost always resulted in death. Then toss in the lack of indoor plumbing, public sanitation, hygiene knowledge/practices, etc., and you've accounted for the vast majority of the 50/51 average lifespan pre-Twentieth Century.
Posted By: tex_n_cal Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
I have salmon twice a week smile
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
I'm speaking of hens that spend the day on a natural pasture, like mine do. Tests have shown that hens raised in this way reliably produce eggs with about .66 grams of Omega 3. That's triple the amount found in standard grocery story eggs. This is due to the consumption of natural wild foods such as bugs, grubs, seeds, and wild greens.


One last thing on this. I think it shows a basic lack of understanding of agriculture in the US. Earlier, you threw out the general advice for people to eat eggs for their omega-3's instead of fish oil. For the vast majority, that means eggs they buy in the store, from commercial producers.

At the scale they need to run to be profitable, and the numbers of birds they need to raise, how much "natural wild food such as bugs, grubs, seeds, and wild greens" do you think they get to eat?

Or put another way, if you raised thousands of birds, how many days would it take for them to deplete your pasture of these foods? One, maybe two?

So commercial producers use supplemental feed like flax to get the Omega-3 content. Which is all ALA. Which is why fish oil is better; it's not.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
I'm speaking of hens that spend the day on a natural pasture, like mine do. Tests have shown that hens raised in this way reliably produce eggs with about .66 grams of Omega 3. That's triple the amount found in standard grocery story eggs. This is due to the consumption of natural wild foods such as bugs, grubs, seeds, and wild greens.


One last thing on this. I think it shows a basic lack of understanding of agriculture in the US. Earlier, you threw out the general advice for people to eat eggs for their omega-3's instead of fish oil. For the vast majority, that means eggs they buy in the store, from commercial producers.

At the scale they need to run to be profitable, and the numbers of birds they need to raise, how much "natural wild food such as bugs, grubs, seeds, and wild greens" do you think they get to eat?

Or put another way, if you raised thousands of birds, how many days would it take for them to deplete your pasture of these foods? One, maybe two?

So commercial producers use supplemental feed like flax to get the Omega-3 content. Which is all ALA. Which is why fish oil is better; it's not.
Your problem is that you're stuck in a centralized way of thinking, i.e., some massive producer needs to provide you with all your food. If there were no massive producers, maintaining small flocks on small pastures would be common, and excess eggs would be plentiful for sale to those who didn't.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Your problem is that you're stuck in a centralized way of thinking, i.e., some massive producer needs to provide you with all your food. If there were no massive producers, maintaining small flocks on small pastures would be common, and excess eggs would be plentiful for sale to those who didn't.


Your problem is you don't know half as much as you think you do, and you're stuck in la-la land.

You threw out general advice, to a general audience, about substituting eggs for fish oil. It was bad advice, just see if you can bring yourself to admit that. If everyone who eats eggs took your advice and starting buying locally from small farms, the supply would be exhausted very quickly. So it's not a viable solution for most people. Everyone could also move to Alaska, become a resident, and net enough of their own wild salmon to last all year. Also, not a viable solution.

So, in general, eggs are not a good substitute for fish oil, as far as a source of Omega-3's.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Your problem is that you're stuck in a centralized way of thinking, i.e., some massive producer needs to provide you with all your food. If there were no massive producers, maintaining small flocks on small pastures would be common, and excess eggs would be plentiful for sale to those who didn't.


Your problem is you don't know half as much as you think you do, and you're stuck in la-la land.

You threw out general advice, to a general audience, about substituting eggs for fish oil. It was bad advice, just see if you can bring yourself to admit that. If everyone who eats eggs took your advice and starting buying locally from small farms, the supply would be exhausted very quickly. So it's not a viable solution for most people. Everyone could also move to Alaska, become a resident, and net enough of their own wild salmon to last all year. Also, not a viable solution.

So, in general, eggs are not a good substitute for fish oil, as far as a source of Omega-3's.
My advice is to individuals, any who'll listen. It's not actually possible to effectively give advice to entire societies. Any individual who either starts acquiring their eggs from those who raise them rather like I do, or gets their own small flock (a dozen or so) on an unused acre of pasture, will receive the benefit I said they would, so my advice wasn't wrong by any reasonable standard.
Posted By: rattler Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
I'm speaking of hens that spend the day on a natural pasture, like mine do. Tests have shown that hens raised in this way reliably produce eggs with about .66 grams of Omega 3. That's triple the amount found in standard grocery story eggs. This is due to the consumption of natural wild foods such as bugs, grubs, seeds, and wild greens.


One last thing on this. I think it shows a basic lack of understanding of agriculture in the US. Earlier, you threw out the general advice for people to eat eggs for their omega-3's instead of fish oil. For the vast majority, that means eggs they buy in the store, from commercial producers.

At the scale they need to run to be profitable, and the numbers of birds they need to raise, how much "natural wild food such as bugs, grubs, seeds, and wild greens" do you think they get to eat?

Or put another way, if you raised thousands of birds, how many days would it take for them to deplete your pasture of these foods? One, maybe two?

So commercial producers use supplemental feed like flax to get the Omega-3 content. Which is all ALA. Which is why fish oil is better; it's not.
Your problem is that you're stuck in a centralized way of thinking, i.e., some massive producer needs to provide you with all your food. If there were no massive producers, maintaining small flocks on small pastures would be common, and excess eggs would be plentiful for sale to those who didn't.


you do realize we went to massive producers cause the little guys couldnt keep up with demand....had the lil guys kept up the big producers wouldnt have had a niche.....given ive actually spent a couple months on an organic farm(ScottF's) there is alot of chit going on there you cant comprehend....real phugging easy for something to happen and the supply disappear....hell for awhile that i was there they were barely producing 4 dozen a week and those were for sale leaving the rest of us sometime no eggs to eat ourselves...wasnt till the last few weeks i was there that egg production kicked back up and there was a surplus for those of us on the farm

the big guys have a place, you live in a dream world with no real world experiance
Posted By: hatari Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Wonder what my Homeowners Association is going to say when my rooster starts waking everybody in the neighborhood up at 5 am? wink
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by hatari
Wonder what my Homeowners Association is going to say when my rooster starts waking everybody in the neighborhood up at 5 am? wink
They probably won't like it.

PS I was concerned about that, too, which is why for years I only maintained hens. At some point a rooster belonging to my neighbor crossed the road to get to the other side, and (to his great joy) discovered my flock of hens. He's been a happy rooster back there with them ever since, and yes he does cock-a-doodle-do every morning at first light.

Neighbors don't complain, though, as they enjoy the eggs from my hens. I perfectly understand, however, that a small flock isn't practical in a gated community type setting, but that's the case mainly due to societal attitudes, i.e., there's no practical bar to it.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by rattler
....you do realize we went to massive producers cause the little guys couldnt keep up with demand....


exactly. TRH's suggestion of buying locally-grown eggs is good, but not everyone can do it, and the buyer still won't know the Omega-3 content because the buyer can't know what the chickens were fed.


Posted By: rattler Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
you realize your quoting me and not TRH laugh
Posted By: BOWSINGER Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Your problem is that you're stuck in a centralized way of thinking, i.e., some massive producer needs to provide you with all your food. If there were no massive producers, maintaining small flocks on small pastures would be common, and excess eggs would be plentiful for sale to those who didn't.


Your problem is you don't know half as much as you think you do, and you're stuck in la-la land.

You threw out general advice, to a general audience, about substituting eggs for fish oil. It was bad advice, just see if you can bring yourself to admit that. If everyone who eats eggs took your advice and starting buying locally from small farms, the supply would be exhausted very quickly. So it's not a viable solution for most people. Everyone could also move to Alaska, become a resident, and net enough of their own wild salmon to last all year. Also, not a viable solution.

So, in general, eggs are not a good substitute for fish oil, as far as a source of Omega-3's.


EGGS ON SALE $1.00 EACH
SALE ENDS FRIDAY
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by rattler
you realize your quoting me and not TRH laugh


LOL, well then, never mind. Your quote makes sense.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Smoke, the quotes you provide are labeled as mine, but they are not. Would you mind correcting that?
Posted By: hatari Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by hatari
Wonder what my Homeowners Association is going to say when my rooster starts waking everybody in the neighborhood up at 5 am? wink
They probably won't like it.

PS I was concerned about that, too, which is why for years I only maintained hens. At some point a rooster belonging to my neighbor crossed the road to get to the other side, and (to his great joy) discovered my flock of hens. He's been a happy rooster back there with them ever since, and yes he does cock-a-doodle-do every morning at first light.

Neighbors don't complain, though, as they enjoy the eggs from my hens. I perfectly understand, however, that a small flock isn't practical in a gated community type setting, but that's the case mainly due to societal attitudes, i.e., there's no practical bar to it.


In France, they'd understand.
Posted By: smokepole Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Smoke, the quotes you provide are labeled as mine, but they are not. Would you mind correcting that?


My apologies, iI will correct that as soon as I get to a real keyboard.
Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye Re: Fish Oil - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Smoke, the quotes you provide are labeled as mine, but they are not. Would you mind correcting that?


My apologies, iI will correct that as soon as I get to a real keyboard.
Thanks.
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