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Pretty much anything polymer..the Carbon 15 being one of the worst of the worst.
Diamondback Arms...just bad.
Hess/Vulcan/Blackthorn...just really, really bad.
Olympic Arms...better than they used to be, but thats a pretty low bar. ugh, I just bought a diamondback as a plinker last week. Have yet to shoot it
have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
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We always talk about our best guns, anyone have a "worst gun" story they want to talk about?
My personal worst was a Bushmaster purchased during the first AR Ban, where no flash hider and bayonet lugs were allowed, I don't know how they managed to do it but the rear sight had to be run all the way over to the right to get the gun on paper at 50 yards with M193 ammunition. It featured a standard FSB. Had an earlier BM with the same problem - rear sight had to be run all the way over to the right to get the gun on paper at 50 yards. Wont buy another. Don't own an ar that we didn't zero the rear sight windage wise and then center the front and set in place ... But to be bottomed to one side on the rear at 50 is bad
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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One barrel is a tack driver, the other was over-sized in the gas block area to the point that you have to use a clamp-on, nothing slide on would fit. And that's why the "I have a ModelX and it's great!" never convinces me of anything, when everybody else says they suck.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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One barrel is a tack driver, the other was over-sized in the gas block area to the point that you have to use a clamp-on, nothing slide on would fit. And that's why the "I have a ModelX and it's great!" never convinces me of anything, when everybody else says they suck. Problem is simple, every gun company has a bad run of something sooner or later. It's sorting the one "Oh Phit" from the continued slide in quality. Customer care goes a long ways in helping some of the hype, but it can't fix what is fundamentally broken.
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an example of one is a .000 group.
Not a 10 shot group. You are very correct.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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ugh, I just bought a diamondback as a plinker last week. Have yet to shoot it
The early, pre Taurus Diamondbacks seemed to be OK, a pretty standard low end AR. Luckily, they are just ARs, so anything can be fixed. The later, post Taurus guns are just pitiful...
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ugh, I just bought a diamondback as a plinker last week. Have yet to shoot it
The early, pre Taurus Diamondbacks seemed to be OK, a pretty standard low end AR. Luckily, they are just ARs, so anything can be fixed. The later, post Taurus guns are just pitiful... I had a chance to shoot it yesterday. Its a solid gun so good or bad overall, the one I have is worth the money. Like you said, its an AR - its just parts.
have you paid your dues, can you moan the blues, can you bend them guitar strings
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On DPMS, I have owned 4: 2 - 5.56 and 2 - 7.62. Sold one of each and the new owners love them, my son has put at least 500 rounds through the 5.56 and makes sub MOA groups more often than not. I've only put about 20 rounds through the 7.62 for break-in but it was sub-MOA at 50 yards without tinkering with loads. As far as my memory serves, my son's has never failed to go bang except when the brass catcher was too full and it bounced a brass back into the port. We've done extensive load development from ultra-low to fairly stout loads without issue. So that's my story of 4 absolutely perfect rifles from DPMS, all purchased from different vendors from different states (all brand-new; off of gunbroker.com).
"Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry." - Thomas Jefferson
"Normal" isn't coming back; Jesus is!
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ugh, I just bought a diamondback as a plinker last week. Have yet to shoot it
The early, pre Taurus Diamondbacks seemed to be OK, a pretty standard low end AR. Luckily, they are just ARs, so anything can be fixed. The later, post Taurus guns are just pitiful... I had a chance to shoot it yesterday. Its a solid gun so good or bad overall, the one I have is worth the money. Like you said, its an AR - its just parts. This is my hope as I just got one too. Haven't shot it yet as I'm back on the injured list.
It had been necessary for him to swallow swords that he might have a better throat for grapes.
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One of the worst I have ever seen was a built 6.8SPC a friend I know bought from someone who had bolted it together. Would not eject with the provided bolt. So I bought a extractor kit from STAG and fixed that, I gave him a PRI magazine, we never did fix the accuracy it was just awful, I have no idea what SS barrel was on the gun. He has put it away and never discusses it.
It is entirely possible to put together a POS using poor parts. A good question might be has anyone put 5000-6000 rounds through a Diamondback, or Oracle or Bushmaster etc.
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All these horror stories are why I stick with Daytona Tactical.
SUCK IT!
Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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If we are going by worst gun of personal experience, i would have to say a Raven .25cal semiauto pistol. I took a sledgehammer to it to make sure no one ever had to bet thier life on it actually working. I used to work in a gun shop in Ohio that sold a lot of that cheap crap. Raven's were $39.00. We would take each gun out of it's box just to make sure it actually cycled before we sold them. About one out of 15, you couldn't even open the slide, and these were brand new. They also were notorious for the mags not locking in. If you held the gun upright the mag would fall to the floor.
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Yep, ATI is another one of those junk brands that the n00bs get caught up in. All most guilty as charged, until I read about them here. I've got an entry level PSA that so far has worked fine and is just plain fun to work with. Next one will be a definite upgrade, and I can't wait. Thinking about a .450.
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My first one.
It's led down a costly yet fun road...
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Pretty much anything polymer
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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Pretty much anything polymer Yeah, I'm getting that impression too.
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ugh, I just bought a diamondback as a plinker last week. Have yet to shoot it
The early, pre Taurus Diamondbacks seemed to be OK, a pretty standard low end AR. Luckily, they are just ARs, so anything can be fixed. The later, post Taurus guns are just pitiful... I had a chance to shoot it yesterday. Its a solid gun so good or bad overall, the one I have is worth the money. Like you said, its an AR - its just parts. This is my hope as I just got one too. Haven't shot it yet as I'm back on the injured list. Finally had a chance to shoot my Diamondback last week. It was a quick trip to the range, so didn't really sight anything in, but it shot just fine--no issues.
It had been necessary for him to swallow swords that he might have a better throat for grapes.
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I own Colts, Stags and RRA's and NEVER had a problem. Because I unfortunately live in "occupied territory" (NYS, aka Libretard central, well, the urban areas anyway), I figured I'd build my own and bought a 80%, "polymer 80" lower... pure crap! Then I doubled down on stupid, and bought a "el cheapo" 16" upper from a place called "Delta team tactical". I think it was stamped "Omega". Well, when I got the package, opened it, and dropped one of my spare bolt/carrier groups in, it wouldn't even go into battery. Some investigation showed that the gas tube was SO misalligned, that it wouldn't mate with the carrier group. A call to the company turned out to be futile, because the woman on the phone must have been the sister of Danny Devitos mom in the movie "Throw Mamma From the Train" 😁
You get what you pay for!
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Worst I've ever owned was a BCM (Bravo Company.)
4" groups out of a MK12 style upper and two weeks of emails and no answer phone calls to finally get a reply, "That's unusual, most customers are reporting MOA with that barrel. Keep shooting it and maybe it'll get better." The emails clearly stated over 400 rounds had been shot out of the rifle.
Customer support sometimes can make or break the over all ownership experience. I got a garbage product at a premium price. That's very good information to pass along. For what they charge, and all of the positive things spoken/written about them, I would have easily fallen into the same situation that you did. Sorry for your lost dollars, but you've saved some of mine............if that helps at all. 
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
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I own Colts, Stags and RRA's and NEVER had a problem. Because I unfortunately live in "occupied territory" (NYS, aka Libretard central, well, the urban areas anyway), I figured I'd build my own and bought a 80%, "polymer 80" lower... pure crap! Then I doubled down on stupid, and bought a "el cheapo" 16" upper from a place called "Delta team tactical". I think it was stamped "Omega". Well, when I got the package, opened it, and dropped one of my spare bolt/carrier groups in, it wouldn't even go into battery. Some investigation showed that the gas tube was SO misalligned, that it wouldn't mate with the carrier group. A call to the company turned out to be futile, because the woman on the phone must have been the sister of Danny Devitos mom in the movie "Throw Mamma From the Train" 😁
You get what you pay for! I've read several bad reviews of Delta Team Tactical. They sell a lot of the cheap Chinese knock off parts to the unknowing.
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