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Soon bump stock confiscation squads.

Nah. All they have to do is authorize all law enforcement personnel to arrest and charge anyone found in possession of one.

Not in a shoulder to shoulder crowd. He shot over 550 people in 10 minutes.

Serious question looking for a no bullshit answer...what do you lot suggest is the answer?

Answer to what?

So banning bump stocks will fix what issue?

Going to full auto, making your own bump stock, or just making a bomb would result in the same causalitys. This rule makes as much sense as banning fast cars to stop drunk driving.

Maybe we need bumpstock sanctuary cities where the cops selectively choose (refuse?) which laws to enforce.

Not expecting any real life impact of this bump stock PR fodder. Trump correctly decided he had to say something about them, as did Wayne. Not expecting any re-definition of 'machine gun' legally either, and it would be foolish for pro 2nd Amend folks to press for one at this time. The bump stock was a whipping boy whose time had come, and was sacrificed accordingly. Nobody is coming to get your bump stock, and nobody is damn sure going to buy it, save for a private party. Clever hoarders saving them to double, or triple, their investments will do the best.

Not a scholar here, either. My take is that the Heller decision did two things; 1) establish that Americans have a right to own and carry guns for personal protection; 2) acknowledged that all thought of the people being allowed to have as much firepower as the Govt, even in tiny doses, is delusion, and has been for a long, long time.

There's a reason the antis don't grow enough fuzz to directly challenge the 2nd Amendment. That would fail. Re-definition via subterfuge and local 'authority' will continue to be the norm, and will keep issue-oriented spinmasters on both sides flush with cash.

The Parkland shooting will move the needle.

A wooden dowel cut to the right length can 100% duplicate the effect of a bump stock. Should we outlaw wood dowels?

They want to outlaw all semiauto's so bad they can taste it.

Oh, I know.

Your attitude is exactly why we keep having this conversation and loosing our constitutional rights. I want all my rights back including those illegally taken by our own government. The only way I’ll accept the loss of any of my rights is the legal change of our constitution. No more, not now, not ever.

I'm being serious. Depending on the language, this could be one hell of a trade.

Im looking for a no bullshit answer too...where and when did somebody gun down over 550 people?

And oh crap! I just installed a bump stock on my Rem 700 223AI " McFlame.......

I only see one attitude here.

Data I've seen was 480 people shot but regardless...

That can be done very easily without a bump stock... I'm not sure it could be done with a bolt gun, but then again, don't discount someone that wants to accomplish something.

If you don't want these types of shootings lets not let people gather that thick any more...

If the fish are in a barrel, the arrow will hit many very easily.

Oh look it's the NRA agreeing to sell out their members as the check has already cleared. Who could have seen this coming for the 100th time? This 'simple minded, deadbeat' did, quoted from the fine NRA members here, and they never wanted to refute my reasons for abstaining. Color me SHOCKED!

Well said. I have seen attitudes change on gun ownership & hunting during my 76 years. In another generation average Americans will find it difficult to understand our facination with guns & hunting. I must have lived under a rock because until the shooting in Vegas I had never heard of a bump stock. I used automatic weapons in the military & with all the crazies in our society see no need for civilians to own. With changing attitudes on gun ownership bump stocks are the last item I would fight over. Rapid continuous fire is automatic fire in my opinion. As primarily a hunter I don't care to own a AK or AR type of gun, but have no issue with those that do. I do enjoy shooting both M1 Garands & Carbines. I believe there are more important issues to support rather than owning bump stocks. I would believe that some sort of buy back would be in place to reimburse owners of bump stocks. I have done a lot to support gun ownership & gun safety. I have taught many hundreds of kids gun safety with the Eddy Eagle program & will continue to support gun rights with the NRA.

One Slippery Slope Replaced by Another

The ATF recently unveiled proposed regulations for a "bump stock ban." And, sadly, all gun owners should be very concerned.

You may remember that ATF had initially discussed regulating any accessory which accelerated the "firing rate" of a semi-auto.

Pursuing such an approach would have produced language similar to the Feinstein bump stock ban in the Senate.

Besides bump stocks, several items could have been deemed to help gun owners increase the rate of fire on their semi-autos: match triggers, polished bolts, high-capacity magazines, and even tripods.

Gun Owners of America wrote several alerts encouraging people to submit comments to the ATF in opposition to a bump stock ban.

Thousands of people responded. According to media reports, 85 percent of the comments were against the ban, with about 20% of them being directly inspired by GOA's alerts.

So thanks to the massive pressure from you, the original anti-gun language that would have endangered rate-increasing devices was jettisoned.

But now we're facing a new danger.

Under orders from Trump to "do something" on bump stocks, the ATF has stumbled into a different peril -- a new "bump stock ban" that is just as bad ... and one which now endangers AR-15s and other semi-automatic rifles.

From a "single function" of the trigger to merely a "single pull"

Trump's proposed regulations would declare a bump stock to be a "machinegun" because it allows the gun to fire more than one shot "by a single pull of the trigger" -- that is, by a single volitional function of the finger.

But hold on a second. Federal law, at 26 U.S.C. 5845(b), defines a part as a "machinegun" only if it is designed solely and exclusively to allow the gun to "fire more than one shot ... by a single function of the trigger."

To state the obvious, a finger is not the same thing as a trigger. And, while a bump stock is in operation, the trigger functions separately each and every time a round is discharged.

So these regulations are proposing a radical change -- as they effectively define a gun as a machinegun even if the trigger resets for every round that is fired, so long as the finger only pulls the trigger once.

While bump stock devices will now be treated as machineguns under these regulations, they also raise serious questions in regard to your AR-15s or other semi-automatic rifles -- as they are now on the brink of being designated as machineguns by the next anti-gun administration.

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Will a "Single Pull" of the Trigger Turn Your AR-15 into a Machinegun?

Look at what the ATF regulations says on p. 13457 of the Federal Register from March 29:

A "machinegun," "machine pistol," "submachinegun," or "automatic rifle" is a weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.... For purposes of this definition, the term "automatically" as it modifies "shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot," means functioning as the result of a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism that allows the firing of multiple rounds through a single function of the trigger; and "single function of the trigger" means a single pull of the trigger. (Emphasis added.)

So here is the predicament for gun owners. Will a future anti-gun Democrat administration use this regulation to ban AR-15s, AK-47s and other semi-automatic rifles?

In the past, one had to fundamentally change the firing mechanism of a semi-automatic firearm to convert it into a fully automatic firearm.

But now according to these regulations, a bump stock is a machinegun -- and it can "readily restore" a semi-auto into a machinegun, simply because the gun owner can effectively fire the weapon continuously with a "single pull" of the trigger. According to the ATF, this satisfies the legal definition of a rifle that is classified as a machinegun (26 USC 5845(b)).

It won't matter that a gun which is being bump fired has not been fundamentally altered.

I don't believe Donald Trump wants to ban every semi-automatic rifle in America. But under an anti-gun Democrat administration, they could be on the brink of extinction once these regs go into force.

Rubber Bands and Belt Loops could become the next Machineguns

Undoubtedly, AR-15 owners have rubber bands lying around the house or belt loops on their pants.

So don't be surprised if a virulently anti-gun administration makes the argument that your AR-15 is actually a machinegun because it can be readily bump-fired using common items such as rubber bands or belt loops (or nothing but your finger)!

And they will be able to make that argument because of what Trump's regulations say about bump stock devices:

These devices convert an otherwise semiautomatic firearm into a machinegun [because it] is able to produce automatic fire with a single pull of the trigger.

That's scary. All you would need is an AR-15, in conjunction with common household items, and that would put you in possession of a gun that can "produce automatic fire with a single pull of the trigger."

So please contact the ATF. Tell them their proposed rule is fatally flawed, and will lead to a ban on semi-automatics, in addition to the existing ban on bump stocks.

In Liberty,

Erich Pratt
Executive Director
Gun Owners of America