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Yet you cannot tell my why & how ?

You truly must be smoking a low grade from of crack. Do the black helicopters circle your trailer house, every afternoon?

Kurt,

Yeah Buzzy did support wolf reintroduction and actively opposed the Wyoming 2 zone wolf plan that has been much more successful than MT or ID.

Then he moved to Wyoming for the better elk hunting in the predator zones.

Kurt,

Yeah Buzzy did support wolf reintroduction and actively opposed the Wyoming 2 zone wolf plan that has been much more successful than MT or ID.

Then he moved to Wyoming for the better elk hunting in the predator zones.

Elk are a lot of work - and for me, I'm not interested in killing a whole lot of them. Call me lazy - that's part of it. I like elk meat and usually have some in the freezer. In 2018 I did not shoot an elk, and was invited to hunt after the season on a "shoulder" hunt on a friend's place. I shot a cow. It ate good.

I don't agree with the abuse of the shoulder hunting of elk in MT. I don't agree with much of what MT FWP and our politicians do on deer/elk/antelope mgt in MT, but I LOVE to hunt, and won't stay home. And I like elk meat.

I'm sure there's some way to extrapolate from that above, I'm a frat boy (i'm in my mid-50s), entitled, liberal democrat, dumphuck, whatever other completely off-base crap you like to spew. From what I've read here, you've got ZERO value participating in an ELK HUNTING forum. Guy shows up whose more experienced at elk hunting that 99.9999% of all people, and you want to spew on their career, pension, etc. You need to get a life.

Few more from Wyoming that I think are bulls:







Almost wasn't fair 25 yards bedded:



What happens when I have a cow and bull tag in the same area? Yeah, 2 shots as quick as I could cycle the bolt and didn't take 3 days:

The why is important...WY's 2 zone wolf plan was hosing and delaying delisting for MT and ID. That's why I was opposed to it, and only reason.

And you were wrong but moved to Wyoming where our elk herds are healthy and thriving.

Like I have said many times your politics need fixing.

Not true and I'm not going 15 rounds on it, already have.

I'm not forced to guess one what happened, but MT and ID needed to ditch Wyoming and that's exactly what they did with S-T rider.

Another reason that I support Tester, he got wolves delisted in MT and ID. Which made it easier a few years later for Wyoming to keep their trophy/predator zone plan.

If you followed it, you know I'm right and I'm not going to argue about it. The history is what it is.

Just saw your second question, I dont think the pro-wolfers are going to have a legal leg to stand on. MT and ID did NO harm to the wolf populations with their management and hunting seasons. That didnt and wont go unnoticed by the courts. Molloy already threw out their first run at stopping the hunt, as the MT and ID plans were accepted. I dont see that changing in regards to MT and ID. The trouble will come if Wyoming fails to get a plan together. There is still shakey ground there as the EIS is very clear that all 3 states have to have accepted plans. Molloy has warned of the issue regarding Wyomings lack of a plan.

We'll see how MT and ID respond when the reason they lose management and control is because of Wyoming.

I believe that MT and ID should continue to have control and Wyoming should get to twist in the wind and wolves should maintain full protection under the ESA there, until they put together an acceptable plan. No reason to punish MT and ID for Wyomings bullheadedness.

Someone asked how many elk I shot over the years. I was on a decent roll for awhile until I pcsed to Ft Huachuca Arizona and drawing elk tags in Arizona as we all know kind of sucks. Really couldn't go back home elk hunting seems like we were in the field and getting ready to go to Iraq. But I did shoot a Couse deer 6 out of the 7 yrs I was at Huachuca, had a cabinet full of deer heads then momma tossed them lol. Then PCS'ed to Alaska our elk are down on Afognak, Raspberry, Eotolin islands. Then I got back into Elk hunting when i pcs'ed to Fort Carson got me couple of Colorado elk. Then PCS'ed to Korea and PCS'ed back to Alaska. As of now I have no real desire to hunt Afognak most times that hunt can turn into a real chit show.

Couldnt see that coming or anything....

Wyoming will never learn.

Buzzy,

If you get your information from left leaning newspaper HEADLINES then I feel sorry for you but I am hardly surprised.

The real headline should have been:

Panel shows near unanimous support for Wyoming Wolf Plan.

Only one person on the entire panel voted against the plan. Did you actually read the report???

Hardly bad news.

What a case of left leaning spin on the story. The panel overwhelmingly supports the Wyoming Wolf plan and the one single dissenting vote is the headline??

So I guess this “I want to talk elk hunting now” post means you’re done being a fugging [bleep] on the thread?

With this one statement we get to see Buzzy�s real issue. He was for reintroduction and wants wolves across the entire state and then moving into South Dakota, Nebraska and into the elk herds of Colorado and Utah.

Right at this very moment the USFWS, the agency that implements the Endanger Species Act, agrees that Wyoming�s dual classification is a scientifically sound plan that conforms to all aspects of the Final Environmental Impact Statement and the Endangered Species Act. The plan is not "Politically Correct"

The real fight is that most of the proponents of the Wolf reintroduction (Buzzy) want wolves distributed throughout the west. Wyoming�s dual classification zones make it much more difficult for the wolves to move out of the Original Recovery Zone.

While he continually claims Wyoming screwed ID and MT over, it really seems just the opposite could be true.

The Testor/Simpson rider attached to a must pass appropriations bill delists the wolf in 5 states; Idaho and Montana plus Oregon, Washington, and Utah, but not Wyoming? Who screwed who?

Right now if a wolf travels south, crosses what would be the predator zones, and into Colorado it will have the full protection of the ESA.

Another can of worms that statewide trophy status would open is lawsuits that the state is not properly managing a Trophy Game animal. Pretty hard to justify wide open seasons on a �Trophy Game Animal� in zones in which the wolf is not already established. How would Wyoming defend a Quota of, say 20 wolves, to be taken in the Big Horns until there is an established population of wolves eating the elk herds of the Big Horns?

The stated purpose of the reintroduction was not to repopulate the west with wolves but to restore limited populations to very remote areas, with Yellowstone Park being "wolf central" here in Wyoming. Most all thinking people, on both sides of the issue, knew this was the classic �Camel nose under the tent� ruse.

After supporting wolf reintroduction Buzzy now whimpers and whines that Wyoming must immediately give up to save his �public wildlife�. I disagree.

Wolves are being lethally managed in Wyoming. I don�t believe having a trophy status hunt this year will make any major change in the number of elk eaten this year.

Wyoming can go to the Trophy game management in a heartbeat but I for one want to run this Dual Classification thing a little further. I am not convinced it is a lost cause and I feel pretty comfortable that missing one season of trophy management, while USFWS is lethally managing wolves in Wyoming, will not have a major detrimental effect on the elk.

The Testor/Simpson rider attached to a must pass appropriations bill delists the wolf in 5 states; Idaho and Montana plus Oregon, Washington, and Utah, but not Wyoming? Who screwed who?

Right now if a wolf travels south, crosses what would be the predator zones, and into Colorado it will have the full protection of the ESA.

Another can of worms that statewide trophy status would open is lawsuits that the state is not properly managing a Trophy Game animal. Pretty hard to justify wide open seasons on a �Trophy Game Animal� in zones in which the wolf is not already established. How would Wyoming defend a Quota of, say 20 wolves, to be taken in the Big Horns until there is an established population of wolves eating the elk herds of the Big Horns?

The stated purpose of the reintroduction was not to repopulate the west with wolves but to restore limited populations to very remote areas, with Yellowstone Park being "wolf central" here in Wyoming. Most all thinking people, on both sides of the issue, knew this was the classic �Camel nose under the tent� ruse.

After supporting wolf reintroduction Buzzy now whimpers and whines that Wyoming must immediately give up to save his �public wildlife�. I disagree.

Wolves are being lethally managed in Wyoming. I don�t believe having a trophy status hunt this year will make any major change in the number of elk eaten this year.

Wyoming can go to the Trophy game management in a heartbeat but I for one want to run this Dual Classification thing a little further. I am not convinced it is a lost cause and I feel pretty comfortable that missing one season of trophy management, while USFWS is lethally managing wolves in Wyoming, will not have a major detrimental effect on the elk.

After supporting wolf reintroduction Buzzy now whimpers and whines that Wyoming must immediately give up to save his �public wildlife�. I disagree.

Wolves are being lethally managed in Wyoming. I don�t believe having a trophy status hunt this year will make any major change in the number of elk eaten this year.

Wyoming can go to the Trophy game management in a heartbeat but I for one want to run this Dual Classification thing a little further. I am not convinced it is a lost cause and I feel pretty comfortable that missing one season of trophy management, while USFWS is lethally managing wolves in Wyoming, will not have a major detrimental effect on the elk.

I more than followed it and you know I will bring receipts. From 2010 while you still lived in Montana.

FUBAR - what have you personally contributed to helping wildlife, hunters, hunting? Spell it out!!

Then let's compare and contrast to the time Buzz has contributed every year putting up a fight for HUNTERS and wildlife management in Wyoming and Montana.

I was right then, and I'm right now...thank you for reaffirming the trip down memory lane.

That's exactly what happened, how many people didn't agree with Wyoming's plan didn't matter. MT and ID had to leave WY in the dust or their accepted plans would have been:

1. Delayed for more years.
2. Threatened both states having to relist.

That's exactly what Simpson and Tester did...they broke from Wyoming and pushed a rider to delist in those 2 states. If you recall, Lummis tried to piggy back last minute on the rider but was denied (rightfully so).

Further, Montana and Idaho suffered with wolves way longer than they should have thanks to WY's plan not being acceptable.

What Wyoming could have, and IMO, should have done is classified them as trophy game statewide and then just issued unlimited tags and seasons in 2/3 of the state which is the predator zone.

Its OK if you disagree, but those are the facts of what happened and why.

I was right then, and I'm right now...thank you for reaffirming the trip down memory lane.

That's exactly what happened, how many people didn't agree with Wyoming's plan didn't matter. MT and ID had to leave WY in the dust or their accepted plans would have been:

1. Delayed for more years.
2. Threatened both states having to relist.

That's exactly what Simpson and Tester did...they broke from Wyoming and pushed a rider to delist in those 2 states. If you recall, Lummis tried to piggy back last minute on the rider but was denied (rightfully so).

Further, Montana and Idaho suffered with wolves way longer than they should have thanks to WY's plan not being acceptable.

What Wyoming could have, and IMO, should have done is classified them as trophy game statewide and then just issued unlimited tags and seasons in 2/3 of the state which is the predator zone.

Its OK if you disagree, but those are the facts of what happened and why.

Montana suffered from wolves because of Malloy.... a liberal justice...