Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Optics Formidilosus - paid forum user?

Is form pro 2A? Not everyone here is.

I find this conversation interesting. I recall Forms elk hunt. If you look at that thread you'll see I called him out. That post was a bit hard to beleive. I've elk hunted a time or 6.........

As to his posts over on Rokslide on scopes - it's a data point folks - that's it. I use it just like Sticks posts, and a number of others. I've also PM'd with folks I view as knowledgeable and w/o a biased viewpoint. A number of folks on this thread provide very solid, unbiased data points. And I trust them.

I am, however, very suspect when posters go completely black and white on gear/equipment/opinions. I've been here since 2003 - 21 years. I've morphed my views over the years on many things hunting related. I've made some mistakes, made some good calls, and experimented alot with gear/techniques/tactics. It is those posters that have arrived at Nirvana that are most fooled - by themselves. Technology changes folks, and in the shooting and hunting world were better for it mostly - still not a fan of guys running 10000 game cameras but if it's legal and they want to, fine. I could go on a 4wheeler rant as well.

At the end of the day, the drama displayed here is part of the entertainment for some. I tend to wade through the dick measuring contests, personal threats, and other similar BS and find solid nuggets of information. To those that provide solid info without wallowing in the BS - thank you! And please continue to post.

Holy sh_t! I haven’t heard this much gossip since I gathered eggs in my hen house yesterday evening. Amazing how we bash folks we’ve never even talked to on the phone, let alone met. Wow. No wonder great folks like Pat Sinclair are no longer on this forum.

John

Well said. A lot of good info here if you’re looking and can listen to what others are saying.

People don't like Form because he is objective and he doesn't care about yer feelers, just the facts.

The Illya guy is just projecting.

Hate to break it too you, but an agenda is an agenda, and both have one.

If Vortex scope sucked half as bad and were half as fragile as he says, they wouldn't be on the rifles of top shooters in high numbers.

It is what it is, but anyone saying 100% of X scopes are good or 100% are bad is full of it and has an agenda. Whether said agenda is based on money or feelings doesn't really matter

Where did Form or Ilya say that?

Form's never met a Vortex he likes. But I want only referring to them. 😉

Sure they would. Money talks.

Facts are facts. Vortex is garbage. Just because you're emotionally invested in Vortex does not change facts.

So because you love vortex, you hate Form. Pretty funny.

See, this right here is what I'm talking about. But, hey, feel free to guess what percentage of my optics are currently Vortex. 😉

Edit: since you edited, I take what both say with a grain of salt. One gets paid by the company the other has an obvious beef with the company.

Form's drop test says the Helos gen2 2-12 is hot garbage. Doesn't seem to stop people here from using them without a huge percentage of issues.

Funny how that works.....

I like Vortex and I especially love that they are the only scopes I've ever had that I've never had to clean the lens. They go back for warranty before that.

.000%. Like climate change numbers. I'm buying an electric gun. Goalie the arken, Athlon stuff is very comparable to vortex.

If the “top shooters” are getting sponsored….


The same criticism of Form (paid shill?) applies to any of the Vortex freaks.


As Jordan said, Form’s scope testing aligns with my personal experiences, so I’m inclined to believe his advice.

I think it is certainly possible to thoroughly and accurately assess a scope and then drive across the country and hunt elk like a total goober. YMMV.

The voice of cluelessness

"The Illya guy" has been in the optics business for decades, both as an engineer and an executive in charge of various aspects from engineering to manufacturing, working for various companies. He's also a very avid shooter, who knows scopes both inside and outside, in the field.

Even when you are right, it's still difficult to take you serious with all the John dna in your belly.

I don't thing logic and reason are allowed in the optics forum.

And, sponsored athletes/shooters don't use gear that hinders their performance. Of course, Razor =/=Crossfire, but we should lump "Vortex" (or any other scope company's top line and bubble pack tier line) as one homogenous unit.........

Definitely not being paid by anyone. Purely voluntary service, unlike evil form lol lol

I don't care if you give two s hits about what I post. You are a f ucking clown that is married to a company because you bought something from them.

Even with a 40% discount vortex is still over priced garbage.

BTW still waiting for anyone to provide any actual proof Form is being paid by an optic company for his evaluations.