Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Has the Law of Moses changed because of the work of Jesus…?

When He took our place on The Cross, He fulfilled the law.

So we can toss out the whole book of Leviticus?

All that stuff about man lying with man, woman lying with woman, brother lying with sister, man or woman lying with all the critters in the farmyard?

It is all acceptable to God now?

God doesn't change. He said it was an abomination. If it was an abomination then, it still is today. Much of Lev is the law which is rules men are to live by. Sexual sin existed long before the law and it continues long after the law.

But the Sabbath and the dietary laws do change at the whim of the Priests, and that is okay with an eternal, never wavering God?

You bring up an interesting argument. Within a couple years St Paul wrote the Christians don't practice any of those old ways.

The new Gentile Christians never did practice most of it. At the Jerusalem council, the Holy Spirit led the disciples to exempt the Gentiles from 99% of the law. The law was for Jews only but some of the Christian Jews were trying to force the Gentiles to live under it. In Galatians, Paul revealed that the law was gone, for Jew's too. It's called a curse because Jesus had fulfilled it and it was gone.

At the Jerusalem council, the Spirit led the apostles to specifically say that the Gentiles DID need to avoid sexual sin. That includes homosex, trans-sex, and bestiality. The only sex allowed to us is within marriage and your spouse must be of the opposite sex. Later, Peter said that the marriage bed is undefiled. As long as you're married, there is no prohibition on what you do in bed. All the rules in the Bible about sex aren't about what you do, they're all about who you do it with.

Are you guys discussing the Moasic Law, the Ten Commandments or both?

Yes.

Read my first post. Nobody said any of that stuff was acceptable. Not doing it was never going to get you to heaven anyway. Being right before God has always been because of trusting in God, rather than by doing what's right. You simply can't ever be good enough, and never could.

That doesn't mean that you should try to sin as much as possible because it doesn't matter. A saved person wants to do what's right no matter how miserably he fails.

There are several instances in scripture where God changed his mind. That's not the same as scriptural wavering which refers to a man's belief wavering back and forth. It's similar to how there's a difference between someone simply changing their mind according to the circumstances and someone who can't decide what to do going back and forth on an issue..

Fulfill does not mean abolish. Jesus was a Jew. It is said that he had not come to abolish the law of the prophets. That not one jot of the law shall pass till all is accomplished. Not all has been accomplished or fulfilled. Jesus is yet to return as promised.

The Law tells us a lot about God's nature and what pleases Him.

The Moral Law is still in effect and always will be. The Ceremonial Law (festivals and sacrifices) was fulfilled in Christ's incarnation, life, death and resurrection (it all pointed forward to Him); it is no longer needed. There is some debate about the Civil Law, my view is that it was meant for the nation of Israel during it's time of independence. But those last two aren't without value, once again they tell us somethings about God.

As in Passover, The Blood Of The Lamb causes death to pass over us.

The Passover, that's when God is said to have killed the innocent children of Egypt because the Pharoah, who's heart He had hardened, would not let the Israelites go.

Since the law no longer exists in it's previous form, the priests are priesting over nothing. Anything they do is manmade, not from God. Man can go straight to God without their intervention. The ultimate sacrifice has been made so whatever they do is meaningless. The dietary laws went way beyond what the Torah taught, all man made. Jesus ended the dietary laws in 1 short statement.

Mt 15:11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person."

The law said that eating certain things made you unclean. Jesus said that nothing you eat will make you unclean. It's what you say that does that.

If the books of the bible are to be taken as coming from God, the law of the prophets comes from God.

Then we are told that not one jot or stroke of the pen shall pass from the law untill all is accomplished.

Your comment has been addressed several times here. I won't bother doing it again since it's clear that you have no intention of reading it.

The sacrifice of animals is required under the Law of Moses to atone for sin. But the New Testament manuscripts teach that Jesus was our sin offering “once for all.” And now, “there is no longer any offering for sin” (Hebrews 10:18). So the Law of Moses requires an offering for sin. The New Testament says there’s no longer any offering for sin. This is a significant change.

Circumcision is required under the Law of Moses. But the New Testament teaches that, in Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything; it has no value. That’s a change. The Torah explicitly commands circumcision. The New Testament teaches that circumcision is no longer a requirement. The commands requiring circumcision have passed from the law.

The Law of Moses requires that all priests must come from the tribe of Levi. The New Testament teaches that Jesus is now our high priest. But He didn’t come from the tribe of Levi, He’s from the tribe of Judah. A high priest from the tribe of Judah is a change. How can Jesus be a priest if He doesn’t meet the Torah’s qualifications…? We can either conclude that Jesus is not a priest, or we can conclude that the Torah’s priestly qualifications have changed. In the New Testament, even followers of Jesus are priests, even if they’re not from the tribe of Levi, as the Law of Moses requires. So this is another change to the Mosaic Law. Hebrews 7:12 says, “For when there is a change in the priesthood, there must be a change in the law as well.”

The Law of Moses required a big ornate curtain to separate the holy place from the most holy place in the Temple. But later, in the New Testament, at the moment Jesus died on the cross, God Himself, ripped that Temple curtain in two from top to bottom. That’s a change in the specific commands of the Torah that required the presence of that Temple curtain to separate the holy place from the most holy place. It’s pretty evident that the tearing of that curtain at Jesus’ death symbolized the opening of access to God. And it was God Himself that did it.

There are more biblical examples of changes in the Law of Moses, but the point has been made pretty clear in this thread so far by several men. It’s just simply untenable to suggest that not an iota or a dot of the Mosaic Law has changed. And since heaven and earth haven’t passed away, and yet, at the same time, there have been changes to the law, the most reasonable interpretation of Jesus’ words in Matthew 5:18 is that “nothing will pass from the law until all is accomplished.” And as Jesus confirms in Luke 24, all has indeed been accomplished. And His disciples were witnesses to it.

You may believe it has been addressed, and no doubt you do, but in reality nothing has been addressed. The words say what they say, and what they say can't be transformed to mean whatever suits you.

It is clearly stated that Jesus did not come to abolish the law of the prophets (not one jot or tittle), so it can't be claimed that his sacrifice abolished the law of the prophets without making a lie of 'think not that I have come to abolish the law of the prophets.'

You have no argument to refute that.

In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said, “For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished” (Matthew 5:18). Some read this as an end-times or second coming statement. But the problem is that much more than an iota of the law has already passed away. Here’s one example: the law required repeated animal sacrifices to atone for sin (Leviticus 16). But because of the sacrifice of Jesus, the Bible says, “there is no longer any offering for sin” (Hebrews 10:18). But here’s the thing: these laws didn’t pass away because they were abolished or thrown out like an old pair of shoes. No, it’s because they were fulfilled. They had served their God-ordained purpose and came to an end (Galatians 3:23-25) because of the suffering, death, and resurrection of Jesus ~ who brought us God’s New Covenant.