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Thanks for posting Mike. Just for discussions sake, not seeing much difference in vertical between scope vs. irons in those two groups. Toss out the worst two for elevation on each group and the irons group may even hold vertical better. Horizontal is a variable due to different wind conditions. Nice shooting for both. With the scoped service rifle I had 12 X's vs 6 with the iron sighted match rifle. At times I focus a little too much on X-count. In reality one more click left from the start would have given me a 199 on the iron sights. My first eight shots with the service rifle had less than a minute elevation difference. Position broke down slightly and I shot a high 10 and instead of fixing it, forced a 9 in there. I got up adjusted everything, dry fired and went back to shooting a 10.7 and then another 6 Xs in a row. I have to do a better job of fixing position issues before they become a problem. SD with the service rifle is around 13 to 15. In general I seem to hold position better with the match rifle, better sling and the rifle is more adjustable. Also while my service rifle is accurate, that 308 is a hammer. Ken Porter built it, he holds the NRA 1000 yard record for irons, 200-17. One of the Arizona guys shot a 200-17 also but Porter beat him on the tie breaker for the record. First 10 on the above string.
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Thanks for the insights, I don't shoot scopes in prone competition, so I have no personal comparisons make, just comparing your vertical spreads. I hear what you say on position break downs. It's hard to force yourself to stop shooting , get up and re-build you position during a match. I had to do just that during the last 1000 yard string at SWN this year. Starting up again without sighters is really just a mental block sort of thing... I cleaned the reminder of the shots, but like your string above the damage was already done at that point.
Sounds like your .308 is keeper! I knew Oliver's 200- 19x record was a tie with someone else, but it was fired at the Santa Fe Long Range Regional in 2018. No shootoff though, Ken's record was from an earlier match somewhere.
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Jordan likes to think he knows a little about this schidt.. Checking back to see if the BullShitArtist came back for the deabate. My monies on Jordan. Just saying!
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Jordan likes to think he knows a little about this schidt.. Checking back to see if the BullShitArtist came back for the deabate. My monies on Jordan. Just saying! BSA must be looking for that 1000 yard target he promised to post last June. As per usual.
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Sounds like your .308 is keeper! I knew Oliver's 200- 19x record was a tie with someone else, but it was fired at the Santa Fe Long Range Regional in 2018. No shootoff though, Ken's record was from an earlier match somewhere. Ken shot the 200-19X at Bayou in Houston. I assume the NRA used some tie breaker and if IIRC it would be where the one 10 was in the string. Hell of a thing to shoot an 200-19 and have an 10 late in the string and not own the record. Amazing shooting by both.
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Sounds like your .308 is keeper! I knew Oliver's 200- 19x record was a tie with someone else, but it was fired at the Santa Fe Long Range Regional in 2018. No shootoff though, Ken's record was from an earlier match somewhere. Ken shot the 200-19X at Bayou in Houston. I assume the NRA used some tie breaker and if IIRC it would be where the one 10 was in the string. Hell of a thing to shoot an 200-19 and have an 10 late in the string and not own the record. Amazing shooting by both. I follow what you are saying now. I am used to hearing that referred to as being "Creedmoored". I'll ask him. Didn't know that applied to records, only winning/placements for an individual match.
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I shot my clubs 300-600yd match with an aged BRNO 30-06 and a zeiss 2.5-10HT with elevation and windage ASV. There is a 500yd 0.5MOA prairie dog challenge. I hit it - once ex five. All animals were killed with all shots - fox, muntjac, fallow and red deer. The ultimate scoring was lower because it wasn’t possible to select the correct aiming mark. Reference points only get you so far. The sighters on a round target were easy. Higher power might be better but 10x was fine. It was way more satisfying than shooting a 6-24x Those of us brought up with thick Euro#4 reticles understand how to put the cross on the bottom corner of a square so the vertical and horizontal box the square. Easy to shoot very accurately even with a very thick reticle
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