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Knowledge is the practice of thinking...

Same as a Doctor practices medicine...

Large painting in my Doctor's waiting room...



Intellectualism (Rand's great study) will never supplant the divine source from which all wisdom is available.

Move to NK then, or Iran. Put your money where your mouth is. Bet your azz if you lived there you’d be praying Oh Lord deliver me. FAFO.

Another commie bastard for the ignore list.

Paul was a Zealot Jew. He was obeying Deuteronomy 13. Paul wrote, "As for the Law, I am found blameless."

I recommend, Man In White, by Johnny Cash

She didn't like Victimhood as a Right, supported by either the Church or the State.




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Ayn Rand - would have probably vomited at that statement.

Because it states that A, is not A.

No place in the human world for Mystics.





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Cash,

I believe it because modern Science and astronomy has revealed it happening throughout the universe. Today we can observe galaxies and suns being born. We can see black holes swallowing galaxies. We can see various suns in all stages of their life cycles.

With the Hubble and the Webb telescopes, we have seen events as they occurred thirteen and one half billion years ago.

We have visited Mars and seen the evidence of water there, now gone.

We can see the obvious evidence of seven extinction events. The last of which was K/T extinction event 66 million years ago. The one in which dinosaurs suddenly went extinct after about 150 million years of dominance. We can see the crater left by the meteor which precipitated that event. We find particles left from that meteor.

Contrast that with 200,000 years of human existence on this planet. A mere speck of time in the geological sense. We have only begun to build cities and civilizations in the last 10,000 of those years.

The life cycle of this sun still has a few billion years left in it. That leaves a statistical certainty that several more extinction events are left to come.

At the density of human population on this planet, coupled with our dependence upon energy and technology, the certain coming of the next intercontinental glacial period will extinguish most of humanity. If the weather itself is not enough to cause extinction of human kind, we now have weapons which will be used in battles over resources which can ensure extinction.

As to the origin of the first "living cells" on Earth. I have no idea. People can only guess about that.

But the story of the subsequent three billion years is left in the Earth for us to read. The chapter starting at the K/T extinction event is pretty darned obvious.

My counter is, the mind of man is unable to comprehend the magnitude of random chance over 13 billion years.

All things must happen within the laws of Physics and Chemistry. If the Earth had not been captured in the perfect "Goldilocks" orbit to support life, we would not be here to wonder and argue about it.

Things are the way they are because, if they were not, there would be no discussion.

Idaho_Shooter,

Obviously, you don't understand major league speculation or entropy.

The existence of genetic information inside of the cell points to a Creator. If you’re walkin’ along the beach in Delaware and you see a message written in the sand that says, “Biden is rotten to the core,” you don’t assume the waves did that, or that crustaceans came out of the water and made that message. You know that even a short message like that requires a creator because natural forces don’t create even simple messages like that. So if a short and simple message like that requires a creator, how ‘bout a message that’s well over three billion letters long that’s found in every single one of our 40 trillion cells…? That’s gotta come from a Creator as well.

DNA is far more advanced than any computer program software that has ever been created. Doesn't a program require a programmer…? Doesn’t a message require a messenger…? Doesn’t a code require a coder…? DNA only comes from a Creator; it doesn’t come from an impersonal force, nor does it come from the natural forces (like gravity, electromagnetism, and strong and weak nuclear forces). You don’t get ‘messages’ from those things. And every thing that’s alive has a message (even amoebas have over a thousand volumes of an encyclopedia worth of information inside of em’). Even prominent atheists admit that.

Where does that come from…? It doesn’t come from natural forces ~ it comes from a Creator. When you see, “Biden is rotten to the core” written in the sand, you don’t lack a natural explanation for it, you don’t have a gap in your knowledge about natural forces, you have positive and empirically verifiable evidence for a creator of that message. The same thing is true for the genetic code. It’s based on what we do know, not on what we don’t know.

"In The Beginning Was Information" by Dr. Werner Gitt was very difficult. I had to read it at least three times to understand.

I heartily recommend it to anyone who is not closed to scientific study.

I agree about Rand throwing a hissy fit and puking over "Knowledge is the practice of thinking..."

That is why she falters.

Like anything that is "practiced"... self correction or correction by those better and brighter... is paramount.

Rand don't work that way... everything must be an emphatic.

That is why she wrote pulp fantasy fiction...

On that we agree...

But where did these "Things" come from... that we are discussing?

Some ludicrous "Big bang, ball of cosmic gas THEORY"?

I can not argue with any of that. I already stated that no person knows the origins of the first cells.

But it does not solve the mystery of where that author originated. It does not demonstrate the existence of omnipotence, or eternal existence. And it certainly does not prove the existence of an immortal soul.

Heck, some day, if humans do not annihilate themselves first, man may well spread across the Universe spreading the seeds of life.

The funniest thing about all this is that science has to be proven.


The Bible does not...because it can't.


But then the Bible toters condemn each other for not believing the "right" bible or verse or version.


No wonder it rained for 40 day and 40 nights.

You just described the purpose of intelligent design.

In fairness... I like Rand and her reflection on Self... and her promotion of Intellectualism...

But she has too many holes in her precepts... for me to give her genuine respect.

Admittedly, therein lies a mystery. One must assume either the natural existence of the matter of the Universe or of the Creator. One is no more difficult than the other.


We have counted two trillion galaxies at this point, containing an estimated 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars with their attendant planets. If we could determine how many of those planets have supported life, or will support life in the future, it would go far to clarify many mysteries.

Yes, an impossible quest. But good for cogitation.

To me?

I have never denied the possibility.

I thought this thread was gonna be about covered wagons, Hawken rifles and schit. Big letdown.