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…that Christianity was true, would you become a follower of Jesus…? Jesus said, “I am the truth.” Some people’s response to Christianity might be, “Well, that’s great for you, you’ve found purpose and meaning in your life, but it’s not for me.” But when you think about it, is that a logical position, IF you knew without a doubt that Christianity was true…? If Christianity is true, then wouldn’t it be of profound importance to every single one of us…?


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I guess that's why they call it.... Having Faith.


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Originally Posted by antlers
…that Christianity was true, would you become a follower of Jesus…? Jesus said, “I am the truth.” Some people’s response to Christianity might be, “Well, that’s great for you, you’ve found purpose and meaning in your life, but it’s not for me.” But when you think about it, is that a logical position, IF you knew without a doubt that Christianity was true…? If Christianity is true, then wouldn’t it be of profound importance to every single one of us…?

Absolutely but it’s always been human nature to let doubt creep in. I’ve seen enough acts of God to believe but I still have weak moments.

The apostle Peter is relatable because at his best he had unwavering faith and walked on water, a moment later he had doubts and sunk in the sea. He was ready to kill a Roman solider in defense of Jesus but a few hours later he had doubts and denied Jesus.

I’ve seen acts of God but praying for greater faith is still something that I do just about daily.

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Originally Posted by antlers
…that Christianity was true, would you become a follower of Jesus…? Jesus said, “I am the truth.” Some people’s response to Christianity might be, “Well, that’s great for you, you’ve found purpose and meaning in your life, but it’s not for me.” But when you think about it, is that a logical position, IF you knew without a doubt that Christianity was true…? If Christianity is true, then wouldn’t it be of profound importance to every single one of us…?

Prove it.

"Existence exists--and the act of grasping that statement implies two corollary axioms: that something exists which one perceives and that one exists possessing consciousness, consciousness being the faculty of perceiving that which exists.

Whatever the degree of your knowledge, these two--existence and consciousness--are axioms you can not escape..."


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The lack of one thing, does not prove the existence of another thing.

Mysticism - simply settles the feelings of the fear of the unknown.

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Originally Posted by Garandimal
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…that Christianity was true, would you become a follower of Jesus…? Jesus said, “I am the truth.” Some people’s response to Christianity might be, “Well, that’s great for you, you’ve found purpose and meaning in your life, but it’s not for me.” But when you think about it, is that a logical position, IF you knew without a doubt that Christianity was true…? If Christianity is true, then wouldn’t it be of profound importance to every single one of us…?

Prove it.

"Existence exists--and the act of grasping that statement implies two corollary axioms: that something exists which one perceives and that one exists possessing consciousness, consciousness being the faculty of perceiving that which exists.

Whatever the degree of your knowledge, these two--existence and consciousness--are axioms you can not escape..."


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The lack of one thing, does not prove the existence of another thing.

Mysticism - simply settles the feelings of the fear of the unknown.

A is A.

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Maybe you need to read the question again. The posters asked "IF you knew", he didn't make any declaration.

Perhaps you could tell us from where consciousness came. Of course, with proof.


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Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
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…that Christianity was true, would you become a follower of Jesus…? Jesus said, “I am the truth.” Some people’s response to Christianity might be, “Well, that’s great for you, you’ve found purpose and meaning in your life, but it’s not for me.” But when you think about it, is that a logical position, IF you knew without a doubt that Christianity was true…? If Christianity is true, then wouldn’t it be of profound importance to every single one of us…?

Absolutely but it’s always been human nature to let doubt creep in. I’ve seen enough acts of God to believe but I still have weak moments.

The apostle Peter is relatable because at his best he had unwavering faith and walked on water, a moment later he had doubts and sunk in the sea. He was ready to kill a Roman solider in defense of Jesus but a few hours later he had doubts and denied Jesus.

I’ve seen acts of God but praying for greater faith is still something that I do just about daily.
I don't think that was doubt. It was fear. He could see Jesus standing there in the grips of the law and he thought 'that could be me'. A few days later he was utterly fearless and he really WAS ready to die for Jesus.


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Originally Posted by Garandimal
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…that Christianity was true, would you become a follower of Jesus…? Jesus said, “I am the truth.” Some people’s response to Christianity might be, “Well, that’s great for you, you’ve found purpose and meaning in your life, but it’s not for me.” But when you think about it, is that a logical position, IF you knew without a doubt that Christianity was true…? If Christianity is true, then wouldn’t it be of profound importance to every single one of us…?

Prove it.

"Existence exists--and the act of grasping that statement implies two corollary axioms: that something exists which one perceives and that one exists possessing consciousness, consciousness being the faculty of perceiving that which exists.

Whatever the degree of your knowledge, these two--existence and consciousness--are axioms you can not escape..."


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The lack of one thing, does not prove the existence of another thing.

Mysticism - simply settles the feelings of the fear of the unknown.

A is A.




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Wouldn’t it also be true that lack of faith and belief doesn’t disprove?

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The question of faith seems to be central to the question.

Faith, as defined in scripture, is not a blind faith that is a wishing that something be true. Neither is it based in some random personal experience or thought upon which one finds strength. Neither is faith something that is strong, relying on the power or resolve of the one practicing it in order to be effective.

Rather, it is based on something objective. Paul emphasized this to the believers in Corinth; 15:14And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. He also demonstrates that faith is a gift to the one who believes (Ephesians 2).

Christian belief and faith is based in the object of the faith, Christ and His work, not on the power or will of the one believing.

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Originally Posted by IZH27
The question of faith seems to be central to the question. Faith, as defined in scripture, is not a blind faith that is a wishing that something be true. Neither is it based in some random personal experience or thought upon which one finds strength. Neither is faith something that is strong, relying on the power or resolve of the one practicing it in order to be effective. Rather, it is based on something objective. Paul emphasized this to the believers in Corinth; 15:14And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. He also demonstrates that faith is a gift to the one who believes (Ephesians 2). Christian belief and faith is based in the object of the faith, Christ and His work, not on the power or will of the one believing.
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So why is it said there are no atheists on the battlefield, why do people have to be pushed into the most serious event to understand there truly is a God.

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So why is it said there are no atheists on the battlefield, why do people have to be pushed into the most serious event to understand there truly is a God.


So why do you say people have to be pushed. Are you a pusher ?


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Originally Posted by Angus55
So why is it said there are no atheists on the battlefield, why do people have to be pushed into the most serious event to understand there truly is a God.

It is said. Yet no matter how many times it is said, it still isn't true.

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Originally Posted by Angus55
So why is it said there are no atheists on the battlefield, why do people have to be pushed into the most serious event to understand there truly is a God.

Hard question and probably a bunch of reasons for answers. A vast majority of people believe in a higher power, a creator. Maybe that knowledge of God is academic.

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Yes most people need to be pushed. But not by people but by the Holy Spirit. I recall my " battel" . I was convicted, but did not want to yield to the truth.

When I did I received what the bible calls the peace that passes all understanding.

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Yes most people need to be pushed. But not by people but by the Holy Spirit. I recall my " battel . I was convicted, but did not want to yield to the truth.

When I did I received what the bible calls the peace that passes all understanding.

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Originally Posted by Angus55
So why is it said there are no atheists on the battlefield, why do people have to be pushed into the most serious event to understand there truly is a God.

Not true . Many unbelievers die not believing .


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So why is it said there are no atheists on the battlefield, why do people have to be pushed into the most serious event to understand there truly is a God.

Paul gives us the answer. He wrote everyone knows about God. They choose to suppress the Truth in unrighteousness.


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I am not religious, not even spiritual maybe, but I am genetically Christian and try to live by those principles philosophically without making any absurd claims as to the nature of God. Logically, that is preposterous, though many will come to blows, war even, to assert their doctrine over others.

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I am genetically Christian

Do tell where the Christian gene is located.

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Originally Posted by antlers
…that Christianity was true, would you become a follower of Jesus…? Jesus said, “I am the truth.” Some people’s response to Christianity might be, “Well, that’s great for you, you’ve found purpose and meaning in your life, but it’s not for me.” But when you think about it, is that a logical position, IF you knew without a doubt that Christianity was true…? If Christianity is true, then wouldn’t it be of profound importance to every single one of us…?


The only sane thing, would be follow the one that proved that to you.


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