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I do care about the issues, but i can't do much about the border.

The message is, that Mexico is going to have to fix Mexico. PERIOD

The LE agencies in this country are doing the best job, that they can under the circumstances.


Winning Attitude.....What are you talking about??? I am certain that agents of the USBP are doing the best that they can. LEO's through out the US are doing the best they can, to deal with the situation in their communities. What more do you want???

We've been dealing with drugs in this country forever, it's a market. You can't stop the organized crime folks from trying to make money. You can try hard to reduce it, but you can't stop it.

I know your not living under the thought that, that illegal drug traffic in this country can be stopped. Hell, i see older folks 70's & 80's, selling their pain med's. They get arrested too, no different then an illegal Mex. drug dealer. The only difference is that the taxpayers are supplying the drugs.

Mexico seems to be getting uncomfortably close to the Columbia of 10-15 years ago.

It sure does. I guess Pablo Escobar has come back from the dead and moved into Mexico.

From Tenn.

They're looking closely at Georgia's initiative, it would seem



Link: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008/aug/31/chattanooga-immigration-reverse/?local

Chattanooga: Immigration in reverse


By: Dave Flessner
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By: Perla Trevizo
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Jos� G�mez is seeing fewer people in his gym in Dalton, Ga. Not because folks aren�t as interested in staying healthy, he says, but because they�re interested in staying out of jail.

New immigration laws in Georgia � among the toughest in the nation � are scaring families with illegal immigrants out of the state, he says.

�I�ve known of at least 20 families that have left just because of these laws,� he said.

The fear and flight is not just in Georgia. Tougher immigration laws and more enforcement activity, combined with a slowing economy, are causing many immigrant families to pack their bags and head to other states or back to their native countries, area business owners and residents said.

Advocates of stricter controls on illegal immigrants complain that some laws still aren�t being fully enforced. But both sides of the immigration battle agree that undocumented workers are facing a variety of new hurdles.

n Georgia�s Security and Immigration Compliance Act, adopted in 2006 and implemented on July 1, 2007, requires verification of citizenship or legal alien status for any person to receive a government benefit in Georgia or to keep a new job by a public agency or state contractor.

n Although Tennessee has no state immigration controls similar to Georgia, a growing number of employers in Tennessee and other states are voluntarily joining the federal E-Verify program to check the legal status of new workers. A handful of police agencies in Tennessee also are participating in another federal program to check the immigration status of people they arrest.

n The federal Immigration and Custom Enforcement agency is checking more employers for illegal immigrant workers. In April, for instance, ICE arrested 100 workers at the Pilgrim�s Pride poultry plant in Chattanooga. Since then, federal and local authorities have recently made several arrests of undocumented workers in area neighborhoods.

The Rev. Mike Feely with the St. Andrews Center said the Hispanic community is definitely scared.

�There�s a heightened sense of awareness,� he said. �This has happened and the world doesn�t seem the same anymore.�

Bernardo Olvera, who owns a photo studio in Dalton, said while some immigrants decide to stay and look for employment opportunities in Chattanooga and Ooltewah, a large percentage have left to other states such as Texas, Louisiana and North Carolina.

�I know of a large percentage of people who have come to my studio to pick up some photos because they say they are leaving. I don�t know if that was the original intention of the authorities,� he said.

deportations rise

Across the South, the number of illegal immigrants deported from the United States has more than tripled in the past five years, rising more than five times as fast as the nation as a whole, according to Immigration and Custom Enforcement figures.

Nationwide, the number of people deported from October through February of fiscal 2008 totaled 113,683, or nearly 45 percent more than the same period a year ago. By comparison in the same period, deportations from the Atlanta office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement jumped from 1,546 in 2005 to 5,186 this year.

�The climate is certainly much different than in the past,� said Robert Divine, an immigration lawyer in Chattanooga. �We�re seeing more enforcement activity as the administration tries to demonstrate that the government has the will and ability to enforce the law.�

The increased enforcement against illegal immigrants comes as unemployment in the region is at the highest level in more than 15 years in Georgia and at a 21-year high in Tennessee. Immigrants often are among the last hired and the first fired in an economic downturn, and the new restrictions are making it harder for illegal immigrants to find or keep their jobs, officials said.

Jerry Gonzalez, executive director of the Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials, said the general effects of Georgia�s tougher immigration laws have been creating a lot of confusion and fear.

�The word-of-mouth is spreading that Georgia is an unwelcoming place, and that�s not necessarily something we want to portray our state as,� he said.

But state Sen. John Douglas, R-Social Circle, said the new laws he helped sponsor are having their desired effect.

�We�re definitely seeing a downturn in the number of illegal immigrants in Georgia both because of the economy and some of these new rules,� he said. �Georgia has certainly earned a reputation that it is less friendly to illegal immigration than other areas and that was our goal. We want illegal immigrants to know that this is not the place for them.�

georgia crackdown

Sen. Douglas was a key sponsor of new immigration enforcement law adopted by Georgia lawmakers two years ago. The Georgia law requires state and local governments to verify the citizenship of any government contractor or recipient of government benefits administered by a state agency such as nonemergency health care. The new law also requires state law enforcement agencies to check the legal status of those charged with a felony or a DUI.

SB 529: Georgia Security and Immigration Compliance Act

Effective July 1, 2007

* Requires that jail personnel check the legal status of those charged with a felony or DUI and notify Immigration and Customs Enforcement if the individual is not legally in the United States.

* Requires that entities verify legal U.S. residence for local, state or federal benefits administered by a state agencies, with some exceptions such as prenatal and emergency care.

* Requires that companies contracted with state agencies use the E-Verify program for newly hired employees to verify lawful employment in the country.

* Specifies that undocumented employee compensation more than $600 a year may not be used as an allowable business expense.

* Requires 6 percent state withholding tax for all nonresident aliens.

* Authorizes the Department of Public Safety to enter into a memorandum of understanding with the U.S. Department of Justice concerning the enforcement of immigration laws.

Source: Georgia�s State Legislature

287 (g)

* Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides for the authorization of trained state and local law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law.

* In Georgia, the Georgia Department of Public Safety and the Whitfield County Sheriff�s Office are among the four entities that participate in the program.

* In Tennessee, the Tennessee Department of Safety and the Davidson County Sheriff�s Office in Nashville are part of the program.

Source: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Web site

E-Verify

* A voluntary Internet-based program established to allow employers to electronically verify workers� employment eligibility with the Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration.

* E-Verify allows participating employers to electronically compare employee information taken from the Form I-9 (the paper-based employment eligibility verification form used for all new hires) against more than 425 million records in Social Security Administration�s database and more than 60 million records in Department of Homeland Security�s immigration databases.

* Results are returned within seconds.

* Those employees whose work authorization cannot be instantly verified are given the opportunity to work with the Social Security Administration or U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to confirm their work authorization.

* Naturalized citizens who haven�t updated their records with the Social Security Administration are the largest category of work-authorized persons who initially face a mismatch in E-Verify.

* More than 66,000 employers, representing close to 259,000 worksites, currently are signed up to use the E-Verify program, and the number of registered employers is growing by more than 1,000 per week.

Source: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Web site

Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program

* An inter-governmental information sharing initiative to help benefit granting agency workers determine a non-citizen applicant�s immigration status, ensuring that only entitled non-citizen applicants receive federal, state, or local public benefits and licenses.

* A rate of $0.50 applies to each request submitted electronically, with an additional $0.50 charge if the case is referred for additional verification. A rate of $2 applies to each initial manual verification request submitted via the paper-based Form G-845, Document Verification Request.

Source: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Web site
A separate Georgia law that went into effect July 1 also requires legal status verification for those convicted of driving without a license or a revoked license. If the person is not legally in the country, officials must notify Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

At the federal level, Immigration and Customs Enforcement is offering a new enforcement option to local police, a computer system � called 287(g) � that allows access to multiple databases to check the legal residency status of a person.

The Tennessee Department of Public Safety, Nashville�s Davidson County Sheriff�s Department and four Georgia sheriff departments, including Whitfield County in Dalton, have trained officers on the federal verification system. They are among 59 enforcement agencies that have collectively trained nearly 800 local officers nationwide to enforce immigration laws. The $42 million training program this year, up from $15 million in fiscal 2007, has helped identify more than 62,000 people with possible immigration violations in the past two years, according to government figures.

The Whitfield County Sheriff�s Department started working with the system in May to screen those arrested on other charges who cannot provide proof of legal residence or U.S. citizenship. After a few months of operation, Whitfield Sheriff Scott Chitwood calls the situation a �win-win.�

Prior to the program, Sheriff Chitwood said his department would call the ICE office in Atlanta to check on the status anyone arrested who couldn�t provide documentation. Under the new federal program, deputies are sworn federal officers who can enforce immigration rules, Sheriff Chitwood said.

�Our officers now have the ability to hold someone at the jail and basically start the deportation process,� he said. �So what 287(g) has done is put six federal officers in the Whitfield County Sheriff�s Department.�

Lt. Wesley Lynch, a supervising officer with 287(g) training at the Whitfield Jail, said he thinks that public awareness of the program has caused a �dramatic decrease in our jail population and a noticeable decrease in the number of inmates arrested with no Social Security number.�

Legal fears and enforcement

Critics of the 287(g) program argue that what was sold as a program to catch and deport criminal illegal immigrants has spiraled out of control and people are being deported for traffic violations in some communities such as Nashville.

�Families are deciding not to drive together in the same car because of fear no one will be able to take care of their children in case they are stopped,� said Catalina Nieto, public awareness coordinator with the Tennessee Immigrants and Refugees Rights Coalition.

She said that in Davidson County more than 80 percent of those processed under 287(g) were only charged with misdemeanors.

�People in our community are living in fear, which affects all of us because that means people not reporting crimes or being easy target of crimes,� she added.

But proponents of tougher immigration enforcement contend that many local governments are not following all parts of the Georgia law more than two years after it was passed.

Among Georgia�s 159 counties, only Whitfield, Hall, Cobb and Gwinnett counties have police agencies participating in the federal 287(g) program, Mr. King said.

Among 694 cities and counties in Georgia, only 10 were enrolled in June in the federal program that verifies the legal status of non U.S. citizens for benefits � known as the Systematic Alien Verification of Entitlement (SAVE) program, according to Department of Homeland Security figures.

�The law clearly says that, before any public benefit may be offered to any legal alien living in Georgia, they must use the SAVE program,� said D.A. King, an immigration control advocate who lives in Marietta, Ga. �But very few agencies are even signed up for the program two years after it was adopted and a year after these new rules went into effect.�

Sen. Douglas, who said the Georgia law �overall has been very positive,� also wants better enforcement of the rules by Georgia cities and counties.

�Very few cities and counties have complied fully with Georgia law and I am preparing now a letter to the city and county associations in Georgia, reminding them that they need to get their members to come into compliance with the law or the Legislature may take more steps to make sure the law is enforced,� he said.

Sen. Douglas said he may introduce new legislation if cities and counties don�t comply with the current law.

Immigration shift

The Southeast has been a magnet for many immigrants in recent years.

Between 2000 and 2006, the foreign-born population in Georgia changed from 577,273 to 859,590, a rise of 49 percent and representing 9.2 percent of the total population, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan, nonprofit Washington, D.C.-think tank that analyses the movement of people worldwide.

In Tennessee, the foreign-born population increased from 159,004 to 236,516 between 2000 and 2006, a 48.7 percent increase and 3.9 percent of the state�s total population.

But over time, tougher immigration enforcement definitely slows down immigration growth, said University of Georgia demographer Dr. Douglas Bachtel.

�Once they lose their job, they have to move to other places, particularly if they are illegal, because they won�t be able to get unemployment compensation,� he said. �They might stay for a while because their friends and family will take care of them, but that can�t last long.�

Luis Arevalo and his wife, Rebeca Garcia, are among those illegal immigrants in the area debating whether it�s better to stay in Dalton and hope things will get better or look elsewhere for opportunities.

Ms. Garcia lost her job at a carpet factory five months ago when her bosses discovered she was in the country illegally. A month after that, she gave birth to her second son, Jefferson.

�It has been extremely hard finding another job because all the companies are being very cautious in verifying the documents of who they hire,� the Guatemalan native said in Spanish.

Ms. Garcia and her husband said they have talked about the possibility of returning to Guatemala or perhaps moving to a different state where immigration laws are not as tough. But Mr. Arevalo said he has built his life in Dalton and doesn�t want to leave.

�I�ve been here for seven years. I�ve built friendships, a family, I don�t want to go,� the 25-year-old said in Spanish.

"the Guatemalan native said in Spanish"

"the 25-year-old said in Spanish."


Perhaps these are clues.
I wonder if the legal immigrants and the illegal immigrants have comparable percentages of using English.

I was familiar with the ICE raid on the Pilgrims Pride chicken processing plant in Chatt. Dalton Ga. is a big draw for the illegals, if your not familiar it's about 25 miles South of Chatt. Tn. on I-75 South towards Atlanta. It's known as the carpet capital of the US, all the big carpet Co's. have multiple plants there, Shaw, Mohawk, etc.

The LE agencies are trying, the Feds are training jail personnel, how to access the immigration status and process the required documents via the Fed. computer systems, as the story states.

The Fed's are providing the hardware and software, along with additional funding for the agencies. One of the better things, is that Immigration Dept. has became easier to work with. There more willing to help local agencies then in the past.

A few counties over, ICE and a local agency, raided a Chinese restaurant and loaded up a bunch of illegals working there. Some from Asia, some from Mex./Central Amer.

The Ga. law is pretty good. When the Tn. House and Senate go back into session they may look at it. Right now the more urban areas such as Nashville and Memphis, Chattanooga are doing the majority of the illegal alien seizures.

Some of the more rural agricultural counties won't be hot on the bandwagon for it, due to the fact that the Agri. producers need the work force that the illegals provide. I know of one county (Warren) in Mid Tn. that has probably the number one nursery production in the nation. The nursery owners are old money Dem's.

Back in the early 70's when the factories came into that county, the locals got out of the nursery fields and went into the factories. This left the nursery owners without workers, the nursery owners got together and sent a Rep. to Mex. and made it known that if folks could get to this county, they'ld have jobs, and it's been this way ever since.


The nursery industry is a multimillion dollar industry for that area, and the producers aren't going to let that money slip away. They've tried to mechanize some of the physical need for workers using mechanical balldiggers, that dig the trees, but much of the industry is very labor intensive. The Nurseryman's Assoc. is a very strong political group in this state, they've kept Immigration Service at bay, in certain counties. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

"The Nurseryman's Assoc. is a very strong political group in this state, they've kept Immigration Service at bay, in certain counties. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out."

Interesting comment. Kind of sounds like they are promoting breaking the law.

Their no different, then any other political interest group in the country. To them their not breaking the law. They're maintaining a lifestyle and standard of living that they've had for many years.

They feel that if the nursery industry fails, the trickle down effect, will hurt everyone within that county. They help get folks elected, the Assoc. call's in the IOU's.

A "re-hash", ...granted.
'cept they chrarge 1.50 for this one.

Tenn. is lookin' cool.
might actually be some optimistic folk over there.

we already have heart and soul basics from at least ONE defeatist



Link; http://timesfreepress.com/news/2008/sep/01/chattanooga-more-employers-use-e-verify-despite-co/?local

Chattanooga: More employers use E-Verify despite complaints


By: Perla Trevizo
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Despite concerns from business groups and immigrant advocates about a government Web-based employment verification program, a growing number of local companies are using it.

Since the voluntary program E-Verify was offered to employers in 2004, almost 4,000 Georgia companies and more than 800 businesses in Tennessee have signed up to participate in the federal program, including 50 employers in Chattanooga and 96 in Dalton, Ga.

The E-Verify program is a voluntary, Internet-based program established to allow employers to verify workers� employment eligibility electronically with the Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration.

�We have been using E-Verify without any real problems for three years,� said Kary Klein, owner of the temporary hiring firm SmartHire in Chattanooga. �I could see the trend coming, and I think eventually most employers are going to have to use it. We want to be a leader in our industry, so we began using E-Verify very early.�

Jessica Jones, an employee at SmartHire, said the computer check of new hires is quick and easy.

PDF: New Employment Verification Act

HOW DOES IT WORK?

* Within three days of hiring an employee, the participating employer is required to enter information such as the employee�s name, date of birth, Social Security number and citizenship status into E-Verify. Within seconds, the employer receives a response.

* If there�s a tentative nonconfirmation or �mismatch,� the employer must notify the employee and give him or her the opportunity to contest that finding.

* If the employee chooses to contest the �mismatch,� he or she has eight business days to visit a Social Security Administration office with the required documents to prove identity.

* Until the �mismatch� is resolved, the employee must be allowed to keep working and cannot be fired or have any other employment-related action taken against him or her.

Source: United States Citizenship and Immigration Services
But a proposal from the Bush administration in June to require all companies doing business with the federal government to use E-Verify has drawn fire from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Human Resource Initiative for a Legal Workforce and the Immigration Police Center, among others.

Cost concerns

Critics contend E-Verify could prove costly, especially when workers are hired and then later have to be dismissed if the worker�s status isn�t verified.

Randel Johnson, a vice president for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said requiring all federal contractors to participate in E-Verify �raises many unnecessary practical problems which will make ever more complex an already overly complicated federal procurement system.�

D.A. King, president of the anti-immigration group known as the Dustin Inman Society in Marietta, Ga., dismisses such criticism.

�This program not only ought to be renewed by the Congress, but it ought to be mandated for all employers,� he said. �Every employer should be happy to comply with the law and be sure that they have hired lawful workers.�

Mr. King said E-Verify is essential for compliance of public employers and state contractors under laws in Georgia and some other states.

Growing use

Arizona and Mississippi have laws requiring all employers in the state to use E-Verify, and Georgia, Minnesota, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Rhode Island and Utah require some employers to use the program.

The Georgia Security and Immigration Compliance Act, which went into effect last year, requires employers that have state contracts to use E-Verify. The law now requires E-Verify usage only for state contractors with 100 or more employees, but after July 1, 2009, it will include all state contractors.

Critics argue E-Verify is a flawed system that has high error rates and could have great consequences for legal workers and U.S. citizens.

The Department of Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration databases have errors, said Michele Waslin, senior policy analyst with the Immigration Policy Center, a research institution dedicated to studying the contributions immigrants have made to America.

�Sometimes if (the employer) doesn�t get a confirmation back, they don�t tell the person,� Dr. Waslin said. �In some cases they just fire the person without giving them the chance to fix that problem. There is certainly a possibility of discrimination and misusing the system.�

In a December 2006 report, the inspector general of the Social Security Administration estimated that 17.8 million, or 4.1 percent, of the agency�s 435 million individual records contained discrepancies that could result in a no-match letter being sent to a legally authorized worker. Of those records with errors, 12.7 million belonged to native-born Americans, records show.

If these error rates were not fixed before a mandatory Electronic Employment Eligibility Verification System was implemented, they could result in a minimum of 11,000 workers per day being flagged as ineligible for employment, according to the Cato Institute, a nonprofit public policy research foundation in Washington, D.C.

Officials with local personnel agencies using the system for new hires say they are not experiencing such problems.

�It�s been very easy for us to work with and quite user friendly,� said David Crisp, vice president for Olsten Staffing Services in Chattanooga. �Once the word gets out that you are using the system, very few people come to you who might have a problem with their immigration status.�

Staff writer Dave Flessner contributed to this story.

Comments
The use of the well functioning E-Verify will reduce crime of all types and most importantly, protect our population both citizens and immigrants. To the illegal aliens and unscrupulous employers who are bellyaching... hire legal or ante up for some fine and time.


0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: multiplicitor | On: September 1, 2008 at 4:18 a.m. WOO HOO! The so called reporter would like people to believe this is an unpopular move, but that's not true! LEGAL citizens are pleased to read this.

"To the illegal aliens and unscrupulous employers who are bellyaching... hire legal or ante up for some fine and time." PERFECT! The only whiners are the illegals and the employers who benefit from hiring them! Oh yeah, and probably the ACLU and LaRaza... notoriously Anti American organizations who "profess" to speak for us.


0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: go4gin1994 | On: September 1, 2008 at 5:43 a.m. "In a December 2006 report, ...."
Get with the "program" Ms. Trevizo.
Just last month it was reported there is only a 1% - 3% error rate!
Anyone who can't produce valid documents needs to stay unemployed!
How hard is it to find YOUR birth certificate?
Just someone else who is most likely profiting from illegal invaders. Oh yea, newspapers need such articles to boost sales.

IT'S TIME TO PUT A STOP TO THIS ILLEGAL INVASION NIGHTMARE!

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�There will be no �path to citizenship� given to any illegal alien. That means no amnesty. Not in any shape, manner, or form. I would not allow tax dollars to be used to pay for illegal aliens� education, social services, or medical care. As President, I would end birthright citizenship for illegal aliens. There would be no �anchor babies� during my administration.�
�A Baldwin Administration will support our U.S. Border Patrol, not with meaningless words, but with action. And I guarantee you this: The day before my inauguration as President will be the last day the that Mr. Ramos and Mr. Campean will have to spend in prison. They will be released from prison on the first day that I that I am President and be returned to their jobs with the US Border Patrol if they still want them. Their persecution by the Bush Administration has been a disgrace and a nightmare for these gentlemen and their families. The nightmare ends the day I become President!�

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0 of 1 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: ineelb4no1 | On: September 1, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. <chuckle>. The legality of the so-called "anchor baby" is defined in the Constitution itself; it is called a "natural born citizen" and is automatically and irrevocably granted citizenship.

It takes an Amendment to the Constitution ratified by two-thirds of the States to change that little item, not a Presidential edict. <chuckle>

Not that I like the "Anchor Baby" thing...but there it is. They are natural-born citizens just like the rest of us born here.


0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: rolando | On: September 1, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. E-Verify is a good thing.

Pity these comments so badly criticize the TimesFreePress reporting. They virtually guarantee its removal from this forum no later than tomorrow morn, possibly this afternoon.

Stories of the new VW plant remain here forever [which is a good thing] but anything else showing opposition to illegal aliens has a one-day half-life.

[Will VW be required to use E-Verify to ensure only legal workers are hired?? Or will they voluntarily use it??]


0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: rolando | On: September 1, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. 08/15/2008 - Currently, 62 local enforcement agencies spanning the nation have signed MOAs with ICE and now more than 840 officers have been trained to enforce immigration law.

DHS By The Numbers

80,000 employers enrolled in e-Verify

5.37 million employees checked using e-Verify

THERE WILL BE NO AMNESTY!!!

OUR ACCEPTABLE IMMIGRATION REFORM

#1. Secure the Border!!!
#2. Mandate E-Verify for ALL Employees!!!
#3. Mandate E-Verify for ANY Benefit!!!
#4. Stop the Underground Economy!!!
#5. End Birthright Citizenship for Illegals!!!
......and make it retroactive!!!
#6. End Chain Migration!!!
#7. Make English our Official Language!!!
#8. Cut Off Federal Funds to Sanctuary Cities!!

NOTHING MORE!!! NOTHING LESS!!!

Southwest Border Patrol Sector Apprehensions
Fiscal Year-------------2005---------2006---------2007-------2008 (ends 9/30)
San Diego------------126,879-----142,104---- 152,460--- 135,683
El Centro--------------55,725-------61,465----- 55,883----- 35,018
Yuma-----------------138,492-----118,549----- 37,992------ 7,621 *
Tucson --------------439,053-----392,074---- 378,239--- 281,207
El Paso---------------122,624-----122,256----- 75,464----- 27,100
Marfa ------------------10,532--------7,520------- 5,536------ 4,699
Del Rio -----------------68,547------42,636----- 22,920----- 17,994
Laredo -----------------75,268------74,840----- 56,714------37,850
Rio Grande Valley --134,136----110,528------ 73,430----- 64,549
Apprehensions----1,189,108--1,071,972-----858,638----611,721(07/31)

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0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: Buzzm1 | On: September 1, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. This reporter does not hide her own ideas very well....we are guessing that she donates to La Raza.

I am a long time Dustin Inman Society supporter. We are not "anti-immigration" as this hack writes, but rather pro border security and anti-ILLEGAL immigration. D.A. King has done a fine job of making this very understandable on the DIS Website ( www.THEDUSTININMANSOCIETY.ORG )

The slant here is all too obvious in the first paragraph when we read about "immigrant advocates" who are against use of the E-Verify program. Yeah..."immigrant advocates", the same people who brought us the marches for amnesty and the ACLU/La Raza/MALDEF opposition to any enforcement of our immigration laws.

I may be ill after reading this muck. Does this Trevizo person have an editor who is professional and/or awake?

I can't wait to see what D.A. writes to these characters.


0 of 0 people found this comment useful. Suggest removalBy: Anonymous Name | Username: Americanworker | On: September 1, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. Ms. Trevizo: You have written an overall well-balanced piece; you presented both sides of this contentious issue with little bias. This is quite unusual in today's Mainstream Media and is a fresh breath of air.

Whether we agree with the points of your article or not, you have done a great job in informing us of the ups and downs of the E-Verify system. You have given us enough information to speed further research if any are so inclined. Thank you.

I look forward to continuing balanced updates of your report on this topic. Obviously there is high interest here...

For those of you who are interested, the usual "penalty" for employers who are busted for hiring multitudes of illegals is the required use of E-Verify.

Rumor has it there's worse penalties.

Note, that I did not mention "The Law"

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US man dies in Mexico jail; officers investigated

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US man dies in Mexico jail; officers investigated



CABO SAN LUCAS, Mexico (AP) -- Six Mexican officers have been placed under house arrest on suspicion of homicide after an American man died while in police custody in the resort city of San Jose del Cabo, a prosecutor said Monday.

Baja California Sur state deputy prosecutor Omar Barajas said the officers were placed under house arrest Sunday while authorities investigate whether they played a role in the death. He identified the victim as a 38-year-old man from Oregon, but the U.S. Embassy could not confirm his name or hometown.

The man was arrested Wednesday after he was involved in a fight at an apartment complex and died in jail hours later, Barajas said.

A medical examiner recorded minor bruises on the man's face at the time of his arrest, but more were found on his body after his death, the prosecutor said.

Barajas said the police officers gave contradictory statements about the man's incarceration. One confessed to kicking him in the face. Others said the victim hit his face on the ground when they pushed him to the floor to subdue him.

Surveillance video and witness statements indicate that officers struck the victim, Barajas said.

Many of the industries in the Chatt. and Dalton Ga. have been hit hard, they know that the only way to stay off the Fed. radar is to do this.

Chatt. has just been chosen as a location for a new VW auto plant. They want to try and lure other auto makers there. The Feds have been after the carpet mills for years, this is nothing new for them.

The Feds now have the software and the personnel to check up on the employers more often then in the past. Many more ICE agents have been hired and assigned to the field then in the past. It's good to see that it's a start.

I am not a defeatest, i just know that your not going to completely stop 100% of the illegal aliens coming into this country or remove them all from this country. The same with the illegal drugs coming into this country or stopping the use of illegal drugs in this country. You can only do, what you can to control the situation.

If you feel that the goal should be 100% that's unrealistic, it'll never happen. The USBP or Customs or other Fed agency or local/state agency will tell you the same.

You're the one talkin' all the different statistics,...and probabilities / improbabilities.....and how one should "Feel",....or not.

I've got the EASY work here,....just a corespondent.

My duty is to get this material into the eyes and ears of as many folks as what can view and digest it,.....


....I would note that a LOT of the material appearing in this thread isn't exactly fawned and drooled over by MSM.

.....or far to many Newspapers.

so,....go figger.

GTC

I get this feeling, that you think that illegal alien and drug issues, can be stopped completely. Please, tell me you don't think this way. I have met some, who do feel this way.

This may seem to be off topic,...or circuitous,.....but I'm old enough to know that in WW2 we had " A devil that we knew" to deal with,.....and enlist to the cause of the day.

The Docks in Brooklyn didn't need people like Chertof,....or ICE, or HSA to guard them.

Luciano's folk's put concrete overshoes on more German Spies and Sabateurs than most would guess.....and they went into the East River,....quiet like.

I know this because,....well, let's just say because I KNOW THIS.



Hunter says "I get this feeling, that you think "....." Please, tell me you don't think this way."

...........not my job, or responsibilty to tell you how I think, or don't think,.....

We could damn sure use Lucky Luciano right about now,....

That's what I'm thinkin', right this moment.

GTC

It's not commonly known,...or talked about,....but when a lot of these "Bangers" get turfed off a bus in small villages,....thier
"Stature" is reduced,......if that's a polite enogh term for getting chopped up with machetes,.....certainly "Cuts in" to their schedule,.....another fact you won't catch from MSM.

Back country / rural Salvador is a bad place to be sporting tatoos that contain the letter 13,......a fatal cosmetic problem, or so one hears.

Bwa - Haa

Link: http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/1200799.html

Feds join Valley gang sweep
By John Ellis - Fresno Bee
Published 12:00 am PDT Monday, September 1, 2008
Story appeared in MAIN NEWS section, Page A3

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FRESNO � Central Valley gang enforcers are using a new weapon: deportation orders.

Officials say the tactic already is a success. Nearly three dozen gang members who were in the United States illegally have been sent back to their home countries since the program's first arrests in February.

Local authorities have welcomed help from federal immigration agents because they are equipped with a powerful weapon: the ability to deport gang members who are in the country illegally. Federal agents also can ensure that lawbreakers get federal prison time.

The idea started with federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in Fresno, who offered to help police. It was part of Operation Community Shield, a program the agency launched three years ago in major metropolitan areas to target violent transnational street gangs � specifically Mara Salvatrucha 13, or MS-13, formed in Los Angeles by immigrants from El Salvador.

ICE agents can take someone into custody for immigration violations, said Brian Poulsen, the resident agent in charge of Fresno's ICE office.

"Most of these gang members have come into the U.S. illegally," he said. "They have already violated federal law. We don't need a criminal charge."

In the past, Poulsen said, his office lacked the staff to help with gang raids. But as the agency focused more on homeland security, officials turned their attention to the street gangs that terrorize communities, he said.

Local agents have participated in gang enforcement operations in the towns of Sanger, Selma, Madera and Fresno, and in Tulare County.

It started in the Valley with the Feb. 13 arrest in Mendota of Brian Rivera, a member of MS-13. Federal agents tracked down Rivera based on information provided by a consortium of gang officers from local agencies. He has since been deported to his native El Salvador.

A week later, federal agents were in Selma, participating in a gang sweep with local police.

Now, six months later, both local and federal law enforcement officials say the strategy has been a success.

So far, 35 gang members in the country illegally have been deported from the Valley as part of the Operation Community Shield sweeps.

They have been sent to Mexico, Central America and Southeast Asian nations such as Laos. Oftentimes, federal authorities say, ICE has agents in these countries who keep an eye on the gang members after their return to their native land.

Law enforcement officials say they expect some deported gang members to return. Already, two gang members previously deported have returned and been rearrested.

But this time, they face a different outcome. Returning after being deported is a felony.

The mob may have been getting spies as you say, but they were filling their pockets through other illegal operations. The mob has been involved in illegal narcotics importation in this country as long or longer then the Mex's. The mob's no damn better then the street gangs in this country or in Mex.

You've been watching too many reruns or video tapes of the "GodFather" if you believe that stuff about the mob. There's no telling how much narcotics importation or other criminal activity to include murder for hire, was committed by the Gotti/Bambino crimefamily.

Putting the heat on the gangs is great, aslong as you have the manpower to do it. As was stated Homeland Security opened the money faucet, to allow for the hiring and training of additional personnel to do the job.