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What level of crime is coming into the country illegally?

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Narcotics for one. In which the importation is connected to organized crime. To include anything from street gangs to Italian and Russian mafia etc.

You know Hunter,....you're not "Reading" what folks are writing,....and a predisposition to "Spin" other folk's thoughts and words is not helping one bit.

g5m inquired as to the seriousness of entering US illegally, if I "Read" his words.

Seems like you're on your own unique wavelegnth sometime.

GTC

I read it as it is, he was inquiring as to what level of crime was coming into this country. It's a high level, with narcotics being at the top, due to being controlled by organized crime.


What would of been your response ???

I'm not responding yet,....the man'll tell us what he was gettin' at soon enuf.

From lovely Richmond on the Bay we have something guaranteed to PO Gavin Noisome / Newsome and crew.

Oh, my derechos been stepped on.

Is it just me or are we seeing a "Ramp Up" in Local LE Departments making sensible moves?

Hard to read from this chair,.....as a point of focus , this whole Border deal will cross your eyes, and leave you itching.



Link: http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_10352124

Checkpoints evoke outcry from Richmond Latinos
By Karl Fischer
West County Times
Article Launched: 09/01/2008 06:36:10 AM PDT


Click photo to enlargeRichmond Police Department officer Joanna Grivetti, near, and other officers check driver's...�12�Aqui Derecha!

Juan Reardon, standing on the corner of 23rd Street and Barrett Avenue in Richmond on a hot Monday afternoon, strongly suggests you turn right. Particularly if you speak Spanish. Particularly if you lack a driver's license or drive an uninsured vehicle.

Just know that police wait ahead at a checkpoint to ask for that paperwork, and to tow cars.

"We have a law that mandates you to have a driver's license, but at the same time prohibits you from getting one," said Reardon, fronting a group of placard-waving locals. "And the Richmond police, by implementing these BS policies, are ... directly targeting the Latino population."

Every month, Reardon protests in front of a driver's license checkpoint somewhere in Richmond. More often these days he's not alone � and in an election year, the city's political establishment has taken notice.

Public attitude about the checkpoints may factor into several City Council campaigns as law enforcement and elected officials grapple with enforcing state traffic safety laws that an increasingly active voting constituency considers discriminatory.

With its burgeoning population of Latinos, including many immigrants, Richmond has grown highly sensitized to immigration policy and laws that penalize undocumented residents. While most of those laws originate in state or federal government, it falls to local government to enforce them.

Therein lies the pressure.

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target illegal driving that really does compromise the safety of everyone," Richmond police Chief Chris Magnus said. "We are trying to perform law enforcement and public safety activities as separately as we can from political influence."

That has grown increasingly difficult of late. Mayor Gayle McLaughlin last week sent an extensive information request to Magnus seeking data about citations and tows, as well as clues to the ethnicity of cited drivers.

"At this point, the mayor has no statement," said Marilyn Langlois, McLaughlin's aide. "We'll have a better sense ... after we review the information."

Reardon, not currently employed by the mayor, served as McLaughlin's campaign manager during the 2006 election. That connection fuels speculation about the mayor's interest, both within the Police Department and among City Council hopefuls.

Candidates Corky Booze and Chris Tallerico, both strong checkpoint proponents, turned out to watch last Monday as police funneled traffic through orange cones on 23rd, the main business arterial for the region's Latino community.

"Driving is not a right. It's a privilege," Tallerico said. "If this provides us with a safer city, more power to it. I don't understand why the mayor's campaign manager is shouting in the middle of the street."

Booze went further, challenging Vice Mayor John Marquez to a public debate about where his loyalties lie.

"I want to know why (Marquez) isn't down here right now, educating his people about the law," Booze said.

Marquez, one of the city's first Latino politicians and the council member most closely identified with the Latino business community, also is chairman of the council's public safety subcommittee. He joined in a unanimous vote in the winter to support checkpoints and also clamored for the California Highway Patrol to temporarily supplement the local police force.

The CHP officers mainly performed traffic enforcement, which wound up angering 23rd Street merchants, who said their aggressive work drove away customers. Marquez found himself asking police to ease off the effort he initially led.

"It is a dilemma, and until the (state) Legislature approves a bill that solves the problem, I don't know what the answer is," Marquez said.

Richmond police, like those in neighboring cities, regularly stop traffic at checkpoints along major arterials to ensure that all passing through carry licenses, insurance and registration. Culling unlicensed drivers and impounding their cars helps cut down on hit-and-run crashes, Sgt. Andre Hill said, a growing problem in the city.

Police attribute the rise in part to a rise in unlicensed drivers, who invariably face stiffer penalties than licensed drivers when caught at the scene of a crash.

Richmond police have held monthly checkpoints for about two years, each time visiting a different part of the city. Protesters, particularly those who direct traffic away from checkpoints, seriously sabotage them, Hill said.

"We might tow 25 cars at a typical checkpoint," said Hill, who supervises the department's traffic unit. "But lately, that number has been in the teens."

Activists consider that good news, as losing a car can cripple a family. State law requires police to impound the cars of unlicensed drivers for 30 days, Magnus said, though his department sometimes shortens that term or declines to tow altogether.

Passions run high when the fleet of tow trucks appears in a neighborhood. Police do not announce in advance where they plan to set up shop, mostly to curtail the placards. And in the spring, Magnus disciplined an officer who lost his temper and confiscated a sign while Reardon peacefully protested in front of a checkpoint.

"This is a policy that affects kids and mothers. It's a stupid policy," Reardon said as a worker from a nearby fast-food restaurant walked over and picked up a sign. "It's at odds with the reality."

This is such a good solid no nonsense source,.....interesting that MSM don't access it more frequently,....If EVER ?



link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/...cutions-captured-by-mexican-authorities/

Three Los Zeta suspects who took part in mass executions captured by Mexican authorities
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(Mexico City), El Informador (Guadalajara, Jalisco) 8/30/08

Saturday, 8/30/08
El Universal

A cell of Los Zetas, the ex-military narco hit men in southeast Mexico, was behind the horrendous decapitation murders of 12 men in the state of Yucat�n, reported yesterday. Quick action by federal authorities in setting up �Operation M�rida� resulted in the capture of three of the presumed killers at a highway checkpoint following a brief gunfight. Inside their vehicle, Federal Police found weapons and, most incriminating, a bloody ax. The three arrested included the leader of the cell, a know �Zeta.�
The group known as Los Zetas was the armed branch of the Gulf Cartel and is made up of ex-military special forces deserters. This year they split from the Gulf Cartel to became an independent crime organization and now work in alliance with the Beltr�n Leyva brothers� cartel, distinguishing themselves by their high level of violence. Most of the victims of the Yucat�n massacre have been identified as drug traffickers from the states of Yucat�n, Campeche and Quintana Roo with criminal records from Yucat�n and Veracruz. [Note: This would suggest a turf war, probably with the Gulf Cartel, the former associates of Los Zetas.]
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[In light of the escalating violence in Mexico's narco-war, readers might find the following, condensed from a column that appeared in El Universal 6/26/08, to be informative.]
The language of the narco
Juan Veled�az
Before, the settling of accounts between gangs of narcotraffickers used to be by bullets; now, after groups of hired killers mixed in with ex-military, the criminals use psychology against their rivals.
Shared semiotics
In the strategy of generating terror in the opponent, there is a genuine method with which the narco organizations in Mexico have created their own semiotics, that kind of system of signs and codes to send messages that seek not only to intimidate, but to leave the imprint of the fury and violence of which they are capable. They have also copied methods of groups of other latitudes, explains Doctor of Sociology Luis Astorga, because there have also been decapitations in Colombia, but the quantity of deaths has been of such magnitude that that type of homicide no longer brings attention.
The Colombian narcos were precursors in methods copied to the counterinsurgency, in part due to the existence of guerrillas for more than four decades and to the continuing training in which the instructors have been members of the Armed Forces.
The fury that has been present in the violent deaths between nacotraffic bands in Mexico in recent years coincides with the presence of groups of military special forces recruited by the narcos, explains the author of Security, Traffickers and Military (Seguridad, traficantes y militares), a book published last year that covers the complex map of what has been the anti-drug policy of the government in recent years.
�Here in Mexico this was not the norm,� Astorga explains. �In fact, there had been no record of this type of thing. This coincides � so far as we know of the type of assassination designated as �executions� by the press, but in reality are homicides and the rage with which they are done � coincides with the presence of ex-military, but not in an isolated way; for example there have been military men for a long time, like chiefs of security or hit-men, but not as a compact group.�
There had not been any compact group close to the main decision circle of an organization; Osiel C�rdinas introduced this characteristic with the Gafes (Airborne Special Forces) by creating the so called Zetas. For the first time, an organization of narcotraffickers included an elite group of the Armed Forces trained in counterinsurgence and anti-drug warfare.
The type of training that is given these forces is in two fields. For example, in Vietnam or Central America the strategy was to create terror, that is, a part was the struggle, the conventional war, and the other, the psychological. �Part of the psychological war is that of messages, usually intimidating and associated with techniques of mutilation of the enemy, that is part of the message. It�s not the same to kill someone with one shot, as to kill them with one shot, quarter them in pieces and leave a message,� Astorga pointed out.
In a review of news reports of violent killings between narco bands, the rage with which the Arellano F�lix organization carried out some of their actions placed terror as the main player in the decade of the 90s, as they were the first to dissolve their victims in acid or torture rivals and toss them into ravines. The clan of Sinaloans located on the border of Baja California copied some of the methods of their countrymen in Ciudad Ju�rez, who introduced this method of dissolving bodies in drums like stew, a method used in other times by the Italian Mafia.
Amputating members, writing on the body or leaving written messages was a practice that began to be used by Los Zetas, the paramilitary band at the service of the organization that Osiel C�rdenas Guill�n headed in Tamaulipas some years ago. With that tactic what they seek is to use the minimum direct confrontation, says Astorga. They are counting on the psychological war to paralyze the enemy with fear, and for the terror to expand to their immediate circle. Today, a video on You Tube follows the decapitations with a message and, as happened a year ago in the dispute between the organizations of El Chapo and C�rdenas Guill�n, a justification was left in a folk song where those who compose and interpret the songs pay with their lives on occasion.
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Prensa Libre (Guatemala City, Guatemala) 8/30/08

An article titled �Migrants involve themselves in U.S. elections� had the following highlighted side feature, headed �What they expect� ( under which the following were listed ):

Hispanics demand that a migratory law be approved and that the undocumented (read: illegal aliens) be legalized.
* Integral migratory reform which includes the legalization for Latinos who live in the U.S. without documents;
* Assistance programs for the development of Latin American countries with the object of reducing poverty and offering more opportunities so that its population does not emigrate;
* Migrant leaders should be taken into account and links should be established between (migrants�) communities and governmental institutions;
* More support for migrant communities to facilitate access to college studies because many U.S. citizens who are the children of Hispanics have difficulties in being able to access higher education;
* Ending massive round-ups against migrants, especially in work places;
* Detained migrants to be treated in a more dignified manner and with respect for human rights.
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Sunday 8/31/08


Virtually all the major Mexican newspapers throughout the country carried stories of the �Let�s illuminate Mexico� march that took place Saturday evening. Under slogans of �Enough!� and �Nevermore,� the anticipated countrywide silent march for security against crime captured headlines of the major newspapers as well as the attention of public officials. In the nationa�s capital, the silence was often broken with repeated shouts of �Me-xi-coo, Me-xi-cooo,� llike a war chant by the �powerful tsunami� marching in the streets toward the Z�calo, the federal public square. [photo relates]


Out in the states, the scene were similar. In Hidalgo, the people�s announcement was made, �We have organized crime and disorganized police. That is why insecurity has increased.� They also had a message for the Governor: �If you can�t do it, leave.� In every state, thousands turned out in protest even in rain and cold.


Leaders of the march in Mexico City met with officials of the capital and reached an accord to have total access to programs of evaluation of the Capital Police within 30 days.



Monday 9/1/08
El Financiero (Mexico City) 9/1/08


The Bank of Mexico reported that remittances from Mexicans living outside the country dropped 6.93 percent in July compared to the same period last year. The amount this July was $2,015,400,000 US.
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El Colombiano (Medell�n, Colombia) 9/1/08


Four people were killed and 26 injured this morning in an explosion of a car bomb near the Justice Department offices in Cali. The first floor of the building was damaged in the powerful explosion. Preliminary investigations indicate there are �clear indications it was FARC.� [The Colombian communist revolutionary terrorist organization.]
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Cuarto Poder (Chiapas) 9/1/08


The Chief of Municipal Police of Comit�n, Chiapas was arrested today by state authorities for presumed links to organized crime. Last weekend, a confidant of the Mayor was arrested and then fingered the Chief.
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Diario de Yucat�n (Yucat�n) and Novedades de Quintana Roo (Q. Roo) 9/1/08


The three arrested in the decapitation murders August 28 say that the heads of their 12 victims were incinerated on a farm on the outskirts of Canc�n. Authorities are investigating. The Mexico City newspaper, La Prensa published an apparent Youtube photo of three of the heads said to have been taken by the killers. The article and photo was titled �Horrifying!� by the paper and it is.
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-end of report-

Sorry if I wasn't clear. What crime is it to come into this country illegally? Is it a felony? Something else?
If it basically is not a crime to come into the country illegally making it a serious crime to do so might have some impact on the numbers of people coming in.
Maybe.

My understanding of the immigration laws, is that it's a misdemeanor to enter into this country undocumented.

It's a felony to reenter, into this country after being deported.

If the penalty was increased making it a felony, to enter into the country in the first place, may or may not make a difference.

Then maybe changing that would make a difference.

But, then likely the Mexican Gov't would make some minor transgression of their laws a felony with serious penalties, etc., etc., etc.............

That could very well be true, Mex. may come out with tit for tat, involving penalties if we increase ours. That's a state Dept. issue to work through. Mex. has been receiving US aid over the years and probably still is, that's a good leverage to start with.

Yep, the Mexican army vehicles that regularly come into AZ are nice US built Hummers. A gift from Uncle to the folks across the border to make them more modern.

As i mentioned once before regarding the Mexicans and US equipment. Back in the late 80's, early 90's, they were given rebuilt Huey's from Govt. surplus out of the US Army aviation repair facility at Corpus Christi, TX. The helicopters were in excellent condition and came with a sprayer package that was going to be used to spray marijuana with herbicide.

Mexico took possession of the helicopters and gave them to the Mex. states that the marijuana was being grown. A little over a year later, Mexico had to get some more from the US. The Mex. states had sold the helicopters on the free market, out of country.

For many years the US Army also ran a flight school program at Ft. Rucker, Al. for Central and South American Mil. pilots, to include Mex. on how to fly our helicopters.

Good News,....Az. needs this fellow,....

He TROUNCED his opponent............

" Republican Party Activists",.......Kudos


Pearce Wins Arizona Primary
Anti-Illegal Immigration Crusader "Likely" Headed for State Senate

Arizona Republic-- September 3
Russell Pearce

Russell Pearce wins in District 18 primary
Rep. Russell Pearce, an Arizona lawmaker who has gained national attention for crusading against illegal immigration, easily captured a Republican Senate nomination that likely will allow him to stay in the Legislature.
Pearce defeated immigration attorney Kevin Gibbons, 5,717 votes, or 68.8 percent, to 2,587 votes, or 31.2 percent, with all 51 precincts reporting in results Tuesday from the Republican primary for the Senate seat from Legislative District 18 in Mesa, a Phoenix suburb. [...]
Pearce drew opposition from business interests for his stance on the immigration issue as farmers and others poured money into the race. In turn, Republican Party activists rallied behind him...
"These are folks who put profit over patriotism," Pearce said of independent expenditure groups which attacked him. "They went after me because I think we ought to obey the law, and it was shameful."

" "Moving around has become very difficult for undocumented workers," ..............."

Well, that's nice to know,......

this article is written with a fairly ( hell, screaming) liberal bias,.......interesting nonetheless.

Link: http://cbs11tv.com/local/illegal.immigrants.Hurricane.2.808580.html

Illegal Immigrants Opted To Stay During Gustav
NEW ORLEANS (AP) ― Many of the illegal immigrants who have been rebuilding New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina stayed behind when Gustav struck because they were afraid of being arrested if they boarded the buses and trains arranged by emergency officials.

"We know that people died during Katrina, but we had no choice but to stay here," said Carlos Mendoza, a 21-year-old illegal immigrant from Honduras who rode out the storm with seven other people. They took shelter in an apartment that is close to a street corner where day laborers congregate.

"Many stayed because of fear," Mendoza said. "I would say at least 50 percent of us."

Authorities offered to evacuate residents on buses and trains -- and promised not to ferret out illegal immigrants. But fear of being arrested or deported kept Mendoza and every other undocumented person he knows from accepting the free ride.

Immigrant-rights groups estimate the city is home to as many as 30,000 illegal immigrants. No one knows how many stayed behind.

New Orleans' Hispanic population is tiny compared to other major American cities. But it was practically nonexistent until Katrina destroyed large swaths of the city. The reconstruction boom attracted thousands of illegal immigrants, mostly men from Mexico and Central America who worked as day laborers.

The jobs aren't quite as plentiful as they were immediately after Katrina. And even when work was easy to find, the pay wasn't always enough for immigrants to afford cars and the money needed to flee from a storm on their own.

On top of that, the government's crackdown on illegal immigrants has made day laborers nervous to travel.

"Moving around has become very difficult for undocumented workers," said Pablo Alvarado, director of the National Day Labor Organizing Network.

The city did take some steps to make it easier: evacuation news releases were distributed in Spanish, and the city's 311 number had Spanish-speaking operators.

"Every action that we took in English, we tried to do in Spanish as well," city spokesman James Ross said.

But the message did not get through to wary Hispanic communities that have experienced increased immigration raids in recent years, said Jacinta Gonzalez, a day labor organizer with the New Orleans Workers Center for Racial Justice.

Adding to the difficulties, Gonzalez said, were problems with the 311 service. Several day laborers complained of being on hold for more than 30 minutes before getting connected with a Spanish-speaking operator.

And when illegal immigrants realized they would be asked to register to be evacuated, the situation became even more untenable, she said. Part of the evacuation plan included giving evacuees wristbands with identifying information that could be entered into a computer database to track where people were.

"The government didn't give people assurances that they would be returned to New Orleans" and not deported, Gonzalez said. "Just sending out press releases the day before the evacuation isn't going to work."

In the Central City neighborhood, home to many Hispanics, some who stayed could be seen peeking out their windows as police patrols passed by to enforce a curfew. Several declined interviews or would not open the door.

"I told them all to leave," said Raymond Francois, resident who returned to his home Tuesday and was knocking on doors of Hispanic neighbors who stayed. "But they told me they couldn't. They were worried about not having papers."

Santiago Gradiz, a 61-year-old illegal immigrant from Honduras, got a ride to Houston with a handful of other people in the same situation. They left Saturday, he said, to try to avoid any checkpoints.

He and 10 others are staying in a one-room apartment, and they don't plan to return to New Orleans until cleanup efforts are complete and extra police and soldiers are no longer on the streets. Besides the danger of the storm, Gradiz said, he was afraid that staying could also get him deported because he would be more noticeable to police.

"Luckily I had some money from working the day before moving furniture," and could help pay the costs of the trip, he said.

Jose Gordillo, 50, never even considered trying to leave. The Mexico native and his two adult sons, all three illegal immigrants, instead stayed in their rented house.

"It's been a few weeks since we got work, so we didn't have the money to leave," Gordillo said. "I felt a little panicked during the storm, but with God's help we made it."

Did Cloud win the election for Cochise Co. Sheriff ???

Nope,......we were not all that optimistic, ....for the last week,.....the rural precincts went very strong for Cloud,....but the heavily concentrated voting block in the City of Sierra Vista ( same ones with all the Obama stickers on their cars ) went for Dever...............



Dever tops Cloud in GOP race
By Jonathon Shacat
Herald/Review

Published on Wednesday, September 03, 2008

BISBEE � Incumbent Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever beat his Republican challenger Bill Cloud by a margin of about 70 percent to about 30 percent in the Republican primary on Tuesday.

According to unofficial results, Dever received 5,102 votes, compared with 2,247 for Cloud.
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�I want to thank my supporters,� Dever said. �A re-election is a heartening experience as well as a humbling experience. It helps you re-establish and reconfirm who you are and what you are about so you can march ahead.�

�You have to give credit to Bill Cloud. He put a lot of effort and a lot of money into this and he did his very best. He just came up short,� he added. �I think there is a reason for that, and it is people still have confidence in our administration and what we are doing.�

Cloud, 39, said he was disappointed with the voter turnout and the outcome.

�I am very proud of my supporters. They put up a good effort. For our first time campaigning, we did a pretty good job,� Cloud said, adding, �I�ll be back in four years.�

Now that Dever, 56, has won the Republican nomination, he will focus his efforts on winning in the general election in November.

Norman Bradley, 65, the lone Democratic candidate, received 4,669 votes, or more than 95 percent. He has stayed in the background during the campaign so far. But he will become more active now the primary is over.

�Clearly this is a stepping stone,� Dever said. �We have a ways to go. Norm ran against me before and I was able to defeat that challenge. I anticipate being able to do that again with the help of the public.�

Dever is serving in his third term as sheriff. He previously was a deputy sheriff for 20 years. Cloud has worked in law enforcement since 1991. He was a state police detective from 1999 until this year.

Cloud resigned in order to run for sheriff, citing state and federal laws that required him to do so.

During the campaign, Dever said he was the better candidate for sheriff because he has more years of experience. Cloud acknowledged Dever�s statement, but said he has not done anything new or different for the department.

Illegal immigration and drug abuse were some of the main issues in the campaign, and those topics came up during a candidate forum in July.

Dever said deputies currently work in cooperation with federal officials to deal with illegal immigrants. Cloud said the Sheriff�s Office needs a better partnership with Border Patrol. Dever said officials will continue to combat drug problems. Cloud said more needs to be done to address methamphetamine and other drug abuse.

The candidates disagreed on the need for a �tent-city� facility at the jail. Cloud said tents would be a short-term solution to deal with overcrowding. Dever, on the other hand, said tents would cost more in the long run, and he would rather build a permanent pod.

On Tuesday, Cloud said: �I have not changed my position on the issues on immigration enforcement and on cost reduction. It is doable. It is just a matter of having the will to do it, which Mr. Dever does not.�

The campaign received new attention last week, when Cloud requested an investigation of five possible prohibited campaign actions of Dever�s re-election campaign.

Dever criticized Cloud for raising the concerns at the last moment in an effort to sway the outcome of the primary election. The County Attorney�s Office reviewed the allegations and decided not to take any further action on them.

�There are still some pending investigations into that,� Cloud said Tuesday. �I will reveal more of that later.�

HERALD/REVIEW reporter Jonathon Shacat can be reached at 515-4693 or by e-mail at jonathon.shacatbisbeereview.net.

That's too bad for Cloud, but he'll try again. It's hard to run those incumbents out, if they've been there awhile. Local elections are hard to get folks out and vote. If Cochise Co. is like most counties, a large portion of the county general budget goes to the Sheriff's Office, but folks won't get out and vote.

Sorry your man didn't make it.

The rather dismissive and cavalier way the Hatch Act violations were dealt with may be coming back to haunt this primary,......

.....the "County Attorney" has been the subject of a recent re-call himself,.....he's "Catch and release , to the bone.

There's some other stuff goin' on that I'm not "In the Loop" about ( don' want to be, either )

An AWFUL lot of higher ranking / senior folks in that dept have bailed, ...in the last 4-5 weeks......that's odd,....no

All in all, and however it plays,......Bill Cloud's efforts will resonate, wew have NEVER had this much Sunlight and fresh air shine on / blow through that office,....and subsequent improvements, in the overall sense, are sure to ensue.

Remarkably, the voting block that went for Dever lives in Sierra Vista,.....under the protection and sService of it's own EXCELLENT PD.

There are 700 registered voters in my precinct,.....we're lucky to see 100 turn out and vote.

Sad, that.

GTC

Hatch Act violations are always an issue in incumbant politics, especially sheriff's races.. I've seen S.O employees put up yard signs and hand out handbills in uniform and on duty.

The best one i've ever seen was taking trustee's, out of the jail, to put up campaign signs. The ones that were used couldn't vote anyway, due to prior felony convictions, and they darn sure wouldn't refuse to cooperate, cause they'ld be taken off trustee status, and put in general population at the jail.