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Of course your going to have a 95% conviction rate on immigration cases.

It's not real difficult to prove, you either were or weren't born in the US, or within the provisions of immigration laws regarding birth, outside of the US?

Along with has or hasn't the person, ever filed for status under the laws, of legal immigration into the US?

If the answer to both questions, is NO, they've illegally immigrated into this country, GUILTY, next case please!

In a way it's almost funny that the USDOJ would even print that

Foom Scotland, the Brave, can we rinse our mouths out with some Heeland mist?

Link: http://news.scotsman.com/world/Bodies-pile-up-in-Mexican.4573513.jp

Bodies pile up in Mexican border town as drug wars grow in ferocity

GalleryPublished Date: 09 October 2008
By Lizbeth Diaz
in Tijuana, Mexico
BODIES are cut up and dumped in acid. Victims are stripped naked and hung from bridges. Others have their tongues cut out before being killed � Mexican gangs are using horrifying tactics in an escalating drugs war.

Hitmen working for the cartels have massacred 70 people in the past ten days in Tijuana on the US-Mexico border. Once a freewheeling city serving Americans tequila, cheap medicines and sex, Tijuana is being devastated by the war.

The Mexican government says most of the recent victims belonged to the Arellano Felix family cartel that won notoriety in the 1990s for smuggling tonnes of cocaine into California and for its ruthless elimination of enemies.

But killings and arrests in recent years have weakened it, and other cartels are moving in to take control of the drugs trade in Tijuana and throughout the state of Baja California.

"The Arellano Felix cartel no longer has control of drug trafficking in Tijuana; rival gangs are coming into the plaza," said the state police chief, Daniel de la Rosa.

In one of the nastiest mass executions, hitmen dumped 16 bodies across Tijuana, some with their tongues cut out, late last month. Days later, police found a barrel thought to contain human remains in acid with a message from a gang threatening to make more "soup" of rivals.

The president, Felipe Calderon, has deployed thousands of troops in the city, but they have not stopped the killings and he is looking for new strategies.

Now the rival Gulf cartel and its feared armed wing, the Zetas, has joined the fight in Tijuana, fanning out from its home turf near the border with Texas.

Armed with grenades, automatic guns, dynamite and even rocket launchers, the Zetas are known for especially brutal methods, such as beheading their victims and cutting off body parts.

Mexico's most wanted man, Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman, a prison escapee who leads a cartel from the Pacific coast state of Sinaloa, also wants control of Tijuana and its smuggling corridor into California.

Guzman declared war on the Gulf cartel in 2006 and more than 3,000 people have died in turf wars so far this year.

Although under intense pressure from rival groups and the army, the Arellano Felix clan has refused to disappear. Enedina Arellano Felix, one of four sisters, is now believed to manage the family business after her brothers were arrested or shot by police.

"Enedina's sister Alicia has boosted the family operation with her son Fernando Sanchez Arellano, nicknamed The Engineer, around whom today's disputes in Tijuana resolve," said Miguel Angel Granados Chapa, a political analyst.

Sanchez Arellano has yet to unite the fractured cartel. Although Mexican officials say he has the support of Tijuana's corrupt police, his rivals are determined.

On a pile of corpses with their tongues cut out, dumped near a school, a message read: "This is what happens to those who work with the big mouth Engineer."

Of cCOUSE a Kennedy would be involved in this,......"Oh the Humanity" stunt

STOP THE RAIDS is what I read


Link: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/10/america/Immigration-Raids-Congress.php

Senators push for immigration raid guidelines
The Associated PressPublished: October 10, 2008



NEWARK, N.J.: With federal authorities stepping up immigration enforcement raids across the country, Sens. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts and Robert Menendez of New Jersey are sponsoring a bill to protect the rights of U.S. citizens and legal residents who get caught up in them.

The Protect Citizens and Residents from Unlawful Raids and Detention Act was introduced on Sept. 25 to push for more stringent legal procedures to be followed by authorities executing immigration-related searches and warrants.

Immigration officials have conducted a series of high-profile workplace raids across the country in recent months, including one earlier this week at a poultry processing plant in Greenville, S.C.

The two Democratic lawmakers argue that the raids are often conducted in a sweeping fashion that nets lawful residents and American citizens who happen to be working alongside undocumented immigrants. Those who can't produce papers such as a birth certificate or passport proving U.S. citizenship or legal residency are often detained.

The legislation would require immigration agents to advise people being detained of their rights, including the option of remaining silent or seeking legal counsel, similar to what police officers must do in arresting criminal suspects.

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Although the bill may not have much shelf life with the present Congress soon to adjourn, Menendez said he plans to continue pushing the issue.

"We cannot allow the fervor to deport undocumented workers to take away the constitutional rights that belong to each and every U.S. citizen and legal resident," said Menendez, who is the son of Cuban immigrants. "This is the United States of America, where we protect our citizens and treat our fellow humans with respect."

Immigrations and Customs Enforcement spokesman Harold Ort said the agency could not comment specifically on pending legislation, but said ICE conducts targeted law enforcement operations based on intelligence gathering and standard investigative procedures.

"ICE fugitive operations officers follow applicable federal laws and ICE policies during all of our operations, which are conducted to minimize the risk to officers, those we arrest, and others we encounter during an operation," Ort said.

Joanne Lin, a legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, which helped draft the Menendez-Kennedy bill, said U.S. citizens are frequently detained in raids. She said several U.S. citizens were among those caught up in the Greenville raid, in which 330 people were detained.

"If ICE had conducted much more targeted enforcement actions that were against individuals named in warrants, this bill wouldn't be necessary," she said. "Instead, we're seeing raids in homes and work sites everywhere in the country, because there's no guidelines governing the conduct of these immigration raids. That's why national legislation is necessary."

ICE has arrested more than 2,000 people in New Jersey during raids in the past year, according to Seton Hall University Law School, which has filed a federal lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security over the detention of U.S. citizens and legal residents during immigration raids.

I first heard of the increase in drug activity in Mexico, about a year ago. It was during an in-service course and one of the topics, was about the "Columbianization of Mexico".

The drug cartels are doing to Mexico now, what they did to Columbia in the 80's and 90's. This works out for the cartels in a business sense, as it allows them to put distribution of cocaine closer to the client, the US.

This drug war between the cartels, is also after the control of Mex. marijuana and heroin manufacturing and distribution. This again, is aimed at the biggest user of the products, the US. It's all about business and the control of that business.

Other then observe and provide assistance to the Mex. LE, with logistics and advise/training, not much the US can do at this point. What would you recommend, Crossfire???

" observe and provide assistance to the Mex. LE, with logistics and advise/training, not much the US can do at this point"

.........EXACTLY what should end,.....pronto,....this sorta'
"live in resort by night, train Mexican Troops by day" happy horsechidt is what brought us "Groupo Zeta"

...............................................No?

Our USBP sits in crapped out Govt. Model Blazers,.......and Mex. troops attack / threaten 'em in American Humvees.

Something WAY outta' skew.

Hunter1960 HAVE you ( a simple yes or no will suffice ) read "Reaper's Line"..........?

Lee Morgan II does a far better job of presenting the situation, than I.

On this rare ocassion, I'll answer a question "What would you recommend, Crossfire???"

A. Get some people involved in this debacle that have REAL WORLD experience in Latin America,.....NOW.

B. Without our ( American Officers / Agents ) people can pack whatever they want,....ANYWHERE in Mex. ,.....ALL , repeat ALL support is cut off,....we reinforce and protect Border,....and let Shark Tank polute itself,with as many Colombians, Cubans, Russian ( Ex -Spetznatz),.......etc as nature allows.

C. They bring it near our line,....they die.

Uh,......this is not a new idea,.....a fellow name'a Monroe worked it up,......a while back.



.....Moving right along,...the romance of an evening in TJ, per M3

A civil / terrorist War, on our border, ignored, or shrugged off as "Normal"

..................Pozole,......BRrrrrr

Link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/tijuana-becoming-a-no-mans-land-very-dangerous-place-to-be/

� Mexican drug cartels are extending their tentacles in Latin AmericaTijuana becoming a no man�s land - very dangerous place to be
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORMER BORDER PATROL OFFICERS
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Diario de Coahuila (Saltillo, Coah.) 10/9/08

Eleven persons were murdered in Tijuana and Rosarito, Baja Calif. in the last few hours.
Three were found by a landfill, two in a car, three others at a taco stand. (And so on.)
Local officials said the events were all apparently related to organized crime activity.
Last week the press reported more than fifty murders related to organized crime in Tijuana.
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La Voz de la Frontera (Mexicali, Baja Calif.) 10/10/08

The headline reads : �Tijuana, no man�s land; twelve are executed�
( The rather long article describes the places, times, names and circumstances surrounding the latest batch of homicides in Tijuana. The initial portion of the article follows )
�The city has become a lawless town at the mercy of the members of organized crime, who execute people with impunity and out on the public street. The bodies of a dozen persons who were massacred by firearm projectile impacts were found in little more than 12 hours. The most disquieting (factor) for the community is that now they shoot persons who are not involved in their illegal activities and (who are) apparently innocent.�
( The attachment to this report is a photograph accompanying the article with a caption reading: �The bodies of four executed (persons) were piled up against each other inside this SUV without a second seat. The vehicle shows the multiple bullet impacts.� )


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Frontera (Tijuana, Baja Calif.) 10/10/08

- In Chihuahua, capital city of the state of Chihuahua, at least six persons entered the �Rio Rosas� bar at around 10:15 p.m. Thursday. Without saying a word they began to shoot. Eleven persons in the bar were killed and some four others ended up in area hospitals.
- In Tijuana, local officials confirmed that there were human remains in the barrels found outside the �Del Pacifico� seafood restaurant a week ago. Yesterday there was a shootout involving members of an organized crime group at the same restaurant. The barrels had a message saying � This is what will happen to the Engineer and to those who hang around with him, and we�re going to turn them into posole� ( Note: �posole� is a Mexican dish with the consistency of stew)
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La Prensa Grafica (San Salvador, El Salvador) 10/9/08

The director of the Center for Central American Studies, Jesus Aguilar, said it has been ascertained that the daily rate of emigration of Salvadorans to the United States has dropped from 700 to 400 because of the present �economic panorama� in the U.S. as well as the increase in round-ups of illegal aliens.
According to El Salvador�s �Direccion Nacional de Migracion� 10,434 Salvadorans were deported by Mexico to El Salvador this year up until Oct. 5, a decrease from 13,462 in the equivalent period last year.
Salvadorans deported from the U.S. this year in those same dates have reached 14,409.
Individual monetary remittances back into El Salvador reached 3.692,3 billion dollars in 2007. Some 2.8 million Salvadorans live abroad, 2.5 million of them in the United States.
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El Observador (Caracas, Venezuela) 10/9/08

�More than� 2,300 official national identity cards were found in boxes and bags dumped on an empty lot in Valencia, state of Carabobo, Venezuela. The Security Secretary, Lino Perez Colmenares, expressed his discomposure because of the proximity of elections. The case was referred to the National Office of Identification and Immigration.
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a.b.c. (Mexico City) , Diario de Coahuila (10/9/08)

An anonymous call led Mexican military personnel to a residence in Huandacareo, Michoacan, where they seized twenty-two firearms including assault rifles, shotguns and handguns, plus 5,021 rounds of ammo, 34 clips, tactical vests, handcuffs, sets of license plates and cammo uniforms.
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Diario de Yucatan (Merida, Yucatan) - and others - 10/9/08

Seventeen inmates escaped out the front door from the prison at Reynosa, Tamaulipas ( across the Rio Grande from McAllen, TX) before dawn Thursday. They were reportedly assisted by four prison guards including the shift leader at the time. The seventeen and the four are all unaccounted for.
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Revered and all Holy "Due Process" strikes another crushing blow in defense of American,.........?!

Wait a minute,.....just read this

Link: http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/30708634.html

Illegal Immigrant Sentenced For Killing Child
Melanie Stout
Katie DeLong

WEST ALLIS - An illegal immigrant convicted of running down a West Allis mother and daughter faced sentencing Thursday.

The child died in a West Allis intersection four months ago Thursday.

The maximum sentence for causing death while driving with a revoked license is only nine months.

That's what Jose Rodriguez got�but there's a catch.

It was an extremely emotional time for the Maddox family.

Thursday was the first time Andrea Maddox saw the man charged with killing her daughter and injuring her as the two crossed the street in West Allis.

The grieving mother had the chance to address Rodriguez in court Thursday.

�I don't feel sorry for him. He put me and my family through emotional hell,� Maddox said.

Rodriguez did stop at 84th and Cleveland back in June after he hit MacKenzie Maddox and seriously injured her mother, but he was driving with a revoked license and he wasn't even supposed to be in the states.

He was deported earlier this year.

�This is what happens when you are here illegally, you don't follow the rules,� Maddox said.

Through an interpreter, Rodriguez expressed his sorrow to the Maddox family.

�There are no words I can find to let them know how sorry I am for what happened,� Rodriguez said.

The judge sentenced Rodriguez to the maximum sentence: nine months with four months credit for time served, something that caused even more pain for the family.

�This is crazy. Its absolutely nuts. For killing somebody. She had to go to the bathroom. Now she's dead,� Maddox said.

Unless you can convince the US Hse/Sen. to cut off all support to Mex. it's going to be business as usual. The Mex. Govt. to include LE/Mil. has been supported, for so many years, it's become normal activity.

I've not seen any legislation or talk about cutting off Mexico. Sadly to say, you probably won't. I don't think you'll hear it out of the McCain administration. You never heard it out of both Bush's admin.'s, nor out of the Clinton admin.

I feel the US Govt. concept is, that it's better to support Mexico LE/Mil. and monitor the situation, then turn our back on it. This along with the rocks and shots aren't falling in the beltway, so what's the problem?

Like i've stated, before and you might not like it, but shame, shame, shame, on the US Rep's/Sen's from the border states.

These congressmen/women, have enough collective pull on both side of the aisle, and in the oval office. This to insure that something was done years ago, or at least insure that more, is being done now.

At the present time, militarily we don't have enough forces to go into Mexico or Central/South America in any numbers to do anything. Until we can redeploy from SWA, we don't have the resources.

When it gets down to the fact that every Natl. Guard unit in all fifty states, have deployed at least once to SWA, and most are looking to go again, you don't have alot of forces to spare.

The illegal alien who struck and killed the child, was tried before a jury, found guilty, and sentenced. What do you want him sentenced to first degree murder? He was tried and sentenced for the crime of which he committed.

What if the child had been run over by an elderly US citizen, would you even post it?

As far as i know there's no provision, in any state criminal code for increased penalty, for being an illegal alien. The states ought to write that into their criminal codes.

Go ahead and add Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Middle Eastern folks, and what the hell add the elderly while your at it.

In lieu of criminal due process, what would be your recommendation?

You go ahead and keep putting words in other people's mouth's

* Lone Azzhole
* Lone Landscaper
* Super-Moron
* Dork, drug behind,.....

or whatever the hell it is we're suposed to call you, today.

As noted,....answering was rare,...and will just become that much rarer.

You do speak fluent Spanish and have worked in Latin America a lot, over the last 15-20 years....right ?

Oh, .....no ,.....

Wait, you just said

"I first heard of the increase in drug activity in Mexico, about a year ago."

....so in reality ,...you're a PIMP,....mouthing some party line "Policy"

.......No?

GTC

I didn't put any words in yours or anyone else's mouth. Your the only one with negative words coming out of their mouth, you and you alone.

That's because, if you don't have 100% agreement with you, you have to respond the only way you know, and trash talk the person.

Why don't you just man up, and say that you want to see an increased penelty or automatic excecution, for all illegal aliens caught in this country?

That and do away with their rights to due process under the law? What are you scared of, you afraid to take some heat from some 24CF folks? What do you think your cool and slick, because your hinting around it, without saying it?

*** Of course, you've got to throw out the names, when things don't go your way!!! I bet you stomp your feet, and cuss at the monitor. ***

As far as my experience in Latin America, lets go back 26 years ago to Honduras. I was stationed there in support of our dear Pres. Ronald Reagan and the US Mil. involvement in Nicaragua. I can't go into detail due to a security agreement that i had to sign. I had also been to Hondo. and other Cent. Americian countries, a few times after that, up until my US Mil. retirement in 1998.

It seems that your info. comes from oneside, regarding everything you post. Of course, it's all true and factual?

Please explain, how my learning of the "Columbianization of Mexico" by active duty US Govt. LE agents is party line policy?? Tell me there Mr. answerman, what am i to do about it???

The majority of your info. comes from retired fed. agents, aren't they repeating party line policy??

If anything their Republican party lines, the active folks work for the current POTUS. Do you have an issue with Republican party folks?

YOUR biggest problem is, YOUR own elected US Rep's/Sen's from YOUR state, that YOU'VE elected to represent YOU in DC over and over, have sold YOU out and YOUR frustrated. This along with the, US Rep's/Sen's from other border states, don't give a schitt about the border or the current issues in Mexico.

Anyone who questions anything or makes a comment that you don't believe in, you call them names. You continually putting this on 24CF isn't going to do a darn thing. I am about the only person who makes any comments about it.

Why don't you try and visit or write to the US Rep's/Sen's from Az. that have sold you out, and you continue to send them to DC.

Butt out, Lone,......you sound like a broken record ( and a chitty tune to start with)

This is TRULY pathetic, and indicative of a larger picture.
"Wardens",....and "Rangers",... that don't know what's going on own district ?

....Patrolling their forests from a desk or a seat in a vehicle.

"western regional chief ranger for the National Park Service, said he believes the eradication efforts have touched only a small portion of the marijuana farms"

.........That IS pathetic.


Mexican marijuana cartels sully US forests, parks By TRACIE CONE, Associated Press Writer
Sat Oct 11, 4:20 PM ET

PORTERVILLE, Calif. - National forests and parks � long popular with Mexican marijuana-growing cartels � have become home to some of the most polluted pockets of wilderness in America because of the toxic chemicals needed to eke lucrative harvests from rocky mountainsides, federal officials said.

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The grow sites have taken hold from the West Coast's Cascade Mountains, as well as on federal lands in Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia.

Seven hundred grow sites were discovered on U.S. Forest Service land in California alone in 2007 and 2008 � and authorities say the 1,800-square-mile Sequoia National Forest is the hardest hit.

Weed and bug sprays, some long banned in the U.S., have been smuggled to the marijuana farms. Plant growth hormones have been dumped into streams, and the water has then been diverted for miles in PVC pipes.

Rat poison has been sprinkled over the landscape to keep animals away from tender plants. And many sites are strewn with the carcasses of deer and bears poached by workers during the five-month growing season that is now ending.

"What's going on on public lands is a crisis at every level," said Forest Service agent Ron Pugh. "These are America's most precious resources, and they are being devastated by an unprecedented commercial enterprise conducted by armed foreign nationals. It is a huge mess."

The first documented marijuana cartels were discovered in Sequoia National Park in 1998. Then, officials say, tighter border controls after Sept. 11, 2001, forced industrial-scale growers to move their operations into the United States.

Millions of dollars are spent every year to find and uproot marijuana-growing operations on state and federal lands, but federal officials say no money is budgeted to clean up the environmental mess left behind after helicopters carry off the plants. They are encouraged that Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who last year secured funding for eradication, has inquired about the pollution problems.

In the meantime, the only cleanup is done by volunteers. On Tuesday, the nonprofit High Sierra Trail Crew, founded to improve access to public lands, plans to take 30 people deep into the Sequoia National Forest to carry out miles of drip irrigation pipe, tons of human garbage, volatile propane canisters, and bags and bottles of herbicides and pesticides.

"If the people of California knew what was going on out there, they'd be up in arms about this," said Shane Krogen, the nonprofit's executive director. "Helicopters full of dope are like body counts in the Vietnam War. What does it really mean?"

Last year, law enforcement agents uprooted nearly five million plants in California, nearly a half million in Kentucky and 276,000 in Washington state as the development of hybrid plants has expanded the range of climates marijuana can tolerate.

"People light up a joint, and they have no idea the amount of environmental damage associated with it," said Cicely Muldoon, deputy regional director of the Pacific West Region of the National Park Service.

As of Sept. 2, more than 2.2 million plants had been uprooted statewide. The largest single bust in the nation this year netted 482,000 plants in the remote Sierra of Tulare County, the forest service said.

Some popular parks also have suffered damage. In 2007, rangers found more than 20,000 plants in Yosemite National Park and 43,000 plants in Sequoia Kings Canyon National Park, where 159 grow sites have been discovered over the past 10 years.

Agent Patrick Foy of the California Department of Fish and Game estimated that 1.5 pounds of fertilizers and pesticides is used for every 11.5 plants.

"I've seen the pesticide residue on the plants," Foy said. "You ain't just smoking pot, bud. You're smoking some heavy-duty pesticides from Mexico."

Scott Wanek, the western regional chief ranger for the National Park Service, said he believes the eradication efforts have touched only a small portion of the marijuana farms and that the environmental impact is much greater than anyone knows.

"Think about Sequoia," Wanek said. "The impact goes well beyond the acreage planted. They create huge networks of trail systems, and the chemicals that get into watersheds are potentially very far-reaching � all the way to drinking water for the downstream communities. We are trying to study that now."

Do you think, that this is new regarding marijuana growing in Natl. Forests, this is old news ??

I was assigned as were others from my unit at Ft. Campbell in 1992, to the Kentucky Natl. Guard. The mission was to slingload marijuana that was cut and bundled in the Daniel Boone Natl. Forest in SE KY. The Ky. Natl. Guard does this every year, and has for years prior to my assignment with them.

The marijuana was cut and bundled by members of the Natl Guard, Kentucky State Police and the Natl. Forest Service. We were slingloading it out with UH-60 Blackhawks, to a location to be burned in a hole that was dug.

I don't know where you got the idea, that this is all being done by Mexicans,it might be in the SW. But that isn't the case everywhere.

Julio and Jesus, aren't growing the dope in the Daniel Boone NF in KY. or in the Cherokee NF or GSMNP in Tn. That dope's being grown by Bubba and Billy Bob, and has been for years.

Uh, .....I think, in view of the fact that you've been awarded the ( Albeit dubious) honor of being one of the "Big 3",....

.....trolls at the fire, that is

I should point out that the title of this thread is not "Hunter vs Crossfire". At this point, most anyone can see that you're just persuing some wierd personal feud / agenda,....with someone you know little or nothing about.

"That dope's being grown by Bubba and Billy Bob, and has been for years."

..........a clear admission of failure,.....on the part of current "Authority",.....No?

Watch him swap ends now folks,

GTC

You should start a thread of your own,...."Legend of Lone **",

....or some such,...and leave this one alone,....Cuz it's just

good valid corespondence,...and no more than that.

valid corespondence,........

GTC

I don't think i am one of the "big three". What it is, you want free reign, to post whatever you want, and NO ONE, NO ONE, especially some cop, should question what you post.

It's like you feel that you should have your own personnal thread, "The poor life and times of Crossfire, due to the Mexicans".

I am not swapping anything. The current authority is doing the best that they can, these NF's contain millions of acres.

Have you ever been to or seen the vastness of NF's like the Daniel Boone in Ky. or the Cherokee NF in Tn. or the Gifford Pinchot in Wa. state? These folks that are growing this dope are not stupid, they do a very good job of camo.

They don't grow it like a cornfield in the desert. Nor do they grow it right up beside the road. It's truly like trying to find a needle in a haystack, unless you use air support to locate it.

Could the USFS authorities do more, they could probably use more people, and more funding for over flights.

That's one of the reasons the Ky. Natl. Guard does the mission that they do in the Daniel Boone NF.

These marijuana patches have to be spotted from the air, to be located. The marijuana has to be slingloaded out.

Have you ever been on a marijuana eradication mission, what's your experience in it??? You post stuff that you don't have a clue about, yet get pissed if someone makes a comment about it.

The same with your excuse that your, just the messenger, it's just correspondance..... Heaven to damn bid, if someone makes a comment about your correspondance.

I just called BS, on something that you posted that wasn't fully true. I've been on marijuana eradication missions in a NF, is that my fault.

Hey,....DUFUS,....yeah, you that can't remember Chit,....from day to day.

You've been asked before,......

RUN a damn poll,...and enlist a cadre of folks that WANT this thread discontinued,.....

show me some numbers,....and this sucker gets put in park, pronto.

I'll damn sure not post all the PMs from folks encouraging me to keep it running,.....in spite of your juvenile and somewhat eratic shennanigans.

GTC

There you go again, throwing your tantrum!!! Got to start the name calling, right off the bat, don't ya??

Like i said, you got pissed cause i called you on some BS, that you don't have a clue about about.

As far as seeing trash and other things that the illegals throw away, you probably see that, but that's probably it.

Everything else you do here is stuff, you pull off the net and post, without any personal knowledge or experience in.

You post crap, that you've got about as much personal knowledge or experience in, as a hog does Sunday school.

If someone doesn't agree 100% with what you post, you pull that excuse card, it's only correspondance man, i just post it, i don't know anything about it. It must all be true, because it's on an internet website.

If that's the fact that all you do is post it, and have no knowledge and experience in it. Why do you get so pissed when i make a comment about it?? It goes to the fact that you feel that, NO ONE should question, The Great Crossfire.

You know, you bust out one of the new folks on things that they post, that isn't 100% true. Yet you post things and everyone is supposed to buy it, hook, line and sinker, why is that?

Could you please explain to me why everything that you post should be taken in like the true and devout word?

If more folks cared, how come others don't respond. In such ways as, "Oh!! that terrible, i am going to call my congressman", or other positive means of support??

"Could you please explain to me why everything that you post should be taken in like the true and devout word?"

I'll explain anydamn thing you want ,....once you've EXPLAINED what that trumped up "THREAT" BS you pulled off last month is all about,......

....and you do come across a some sorta' whacko, bud ( I'll not use the "T Word" )......just read some of the nonsense you've posted.

I will tell you that it's pretty clear that your Latin American experience, / immersion comes across as limited,....and dated.

Drum up some support, get a concensus...and this thread goes adios.

That simple.


GTC

Like i told you, i made the comment to call Larry to screw with you, it must of worked, your still talking about it. I am sorry if it hurt your feelings or caused you any grief.

My Latin American experience is what it is, from 1978 to 1998, it's not as limited as you think. I got to see what built up to where we are, as far as Columbia and other Central American countries. I truly can't go into more detail at this time.

What were your experiences in Central America?? Unless you were with DOD or US GOVT LE, you don't have to worry about a security agreement. You can talk about it.

Like i stated, the people you need to be after are the border state politicians, who've sold you and the other border state citizens out. It's an election year, there's enough border state members on here, if you'll start a collective letter writing or phone calling campaign, you may get some results.

The results may only be to truly identify those border state politicians, who don't care about the issue. Once identified, then steps can be taken to make it known, to the public as to their stand on the issue. You should of started this six months to a year ago.

Don't continue to send the same folks back to DC, who you know in your heart and mind, don't care about the border issue. You've just told them and others, don't worry about the border issue, you can get reelected without it.

If you can't get the border state politicians to care, your not going to be able to get the rest of the house/senate members, on either side of the aisle to care either.

It would seem that dogged persistance in presenting factual data from the border,.....ON the Border, is not without merit.

That Conferance yesterday in Tucson is going to resonate for the remainder of the year,....and beyond,..........


American Patrol Report
American Border Patrol keeping the government honest
In a recent exchange, a senior official in the Department of Homeland Security confided in a mainstream reporter that American Border Patrol was serving the American people well by keeping watch on the border fence project. The reporter conveyed this information to Glenn Spencer of ABP on the condition that the source not be revealed.

That's good about ABP. As you well know, HS is bought and paid for by the house and senate. HS has to stand in line for money and personnel, just like every other Dept. in DC.

If you can find out who the US Rep/Sen's are on the subcommittee's/committee's etc. regarding HS, and put the heat on them. Hopefully some of the Rep's/Sen's are from border states.