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You funny, boy.

Were anyone really interested, it would be mildly interesting to dredge up some of "Fleck's" early posts about

........."Do you honestly expect to just start shooting people on the Border",.....with attendant Bile that we've come to know.

Well,.....I've never really expected to do so Myself,......hard as that moron has tried to twist words, and make it seem so.

Anyhoo,.....no need to shoot,.....That's gonna get done for us,....by folks that're paid to do so.

Anyhoo,......one could see this coming,.....the momentum it's gaining was not anticipated..............at least by the Fleck.

GTC



Border War Brewing
U. S. Cops Issued Automatic Weapons


KTWX-TV -- Waco -- October 17

Texas Authorities Say They'll Confront Border Violence
South Texas authorities said Friday they won't be intimidated by increasingly violent drug smugglers as they announced a larger Border Patrol presence along the Mexican border and said more heavily armed deputies will be authorized to return fire across the border.
Operation "River Freedom Denial" will focus more ground and air recourses on areas along the Rio Grande in the southern tip of Texas where violence has been increasing.
Hidalgo County Sheriff Lupe Trevino said the deputies he'll assign to the operation along the river will all be issued fully automatic rifles and authorized to return fire.
He recalled an incident in 2006 in which more than 300 shots were fired across the river at his deputies and Border Patrol agents.
At that time, he decided to pull his deputies back from the river for their safety, but not this time.
Tension along the border has increased this week with a shootout Thursday in downtown Matamoros, Mexico, across the river from Brownsville.
Also, shots were fired at or near the U.S. Consulate in Monterrey, Mexico twice this week.

I'm betting Mayor Margaret Hornady of Grand Island would much prefer the family business of making bullets to dealing with the immigrant mess in her town.

Paul

That's good that the Sheriff in that Tx. county will allow his deputies to protect themselves along with issueing the equipment to do the job if needed.

I would be safe to state that "Operation River Freedom Denial" will be under the command and control of the USBP and not a Texas Sheriff, not saying that the Sheriff wouldn't be competent.

This is happening in Tx.. what are they doing in your state??

Why don't you use all of your great writing abiity, that you state that you have, and attempt to persuade LE and legislators in your state to do more?? Or how about even in your own county??

" You funny, boy. "

you define yourself,.......loud and swaggering,......callin' people "Boy".

Watch4bear aced it the other day,....when he stated simply,

"I know you"

keep ranting "fleck",...we're all getting to know you.

I've got a notion that you've never gone back and actually read some of the stuff you've spouted.

....Course',...that's how you came by your Injun name,

" Swaps ends, While Spouting"




As far as what goes on around this area,.....I'm just N. of these folk. As far as the Auto-Gear goes, or needing it....when the ball drops,.....we'll spend a day or 2 cleaning Salsa and Brains offa' all the equipment the Mex. Army owned the day before, and put it to work......hell we've already paid for the stuff,.......no-one's gonna mind doing a RePo.


American Border Patrol's ranch vulnerable

October 18, 2008

In light of increasing tensions along the border, American Border Patrol has moved to increase security on its border ranch. "We don't have automatic weapons, however we are working to increase our capability," said ABP president Glenn Spencer. Spencer said any massive movement of people could overwhelm current border defenses, however, including the U.S. Border Patrol.

Oye, Reymundo,....we trusted JOO, Meng.

Link: http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/10/17/999976/Prosecutors--Starr-County-Sheriff-Danger-to-Community

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Prosecutors: Starr County Sheriff Danger to Community
Friday , October 17, 2008 Posted: 06:55 PM
Latest Hearing

Guerra pleaded not guilty to charges

MCALLEN - Prosecutors claim the Starr County sheriff is a danger to his community.

Reymundo Guerra is accused of helping the Gulf Cartel and the Zetas. He's been in federal custody since his arrest earlier this week. After a full day in court today, a judge decided to wait until Monday to decide whether Guerra should get a bond.

NAWwwwww, things aren't heating up,

all this is "Normal",.........nothing extraordinary going on along the line,.....now Move on "Boy",.....

nothing to see here,....we're in control.

Right,.....sure,.....how VERY re-assured I am, now.



Link: http://m3report.wordpress.com/2008/...sult-in-33-deaths-in-less-than-24-hours/

Mexico: First fifteen days in October the year�s most violentMexico: Confrontations result in 33 deaths in less than 24 hours
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The National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers (NAFBPO) extracts and condenses the material that follows from Mexican and Central and South American on-line media sources on a daily basis. You are free to disseminate this information, but we request that you credit NAFBPO as being the provider.

El Universal (Mexico City) 10/17/08

- Confrontations by Mex. federal & state forces against groups believed to be linked with organized crime produced 33 deaths in Mexico between Wednesday night and Thursday. Among the victims there�s a soldier and a city police officer as well as two civilian employees. In Mazatlan, Sinaloa, two state police officers were forcibly carried off from a sea food shop.
A shootout took place between military personnel and men in a vehicle south of Ciudad Juarez at a road checkpoint; there, two of the aggressors lost their lives and two others were arrested. Seven other men also lost their lives in different events in Juarez.
Also, a human head was found in the center of town in Chihuahua City; the body was located in Santa Eulalia, some 20 kilometers away.
Three other homicides were reported in Sinaloa, two in Jalisco, two in the Distrito Federal and others in Chiapas, Guerrero and in Nogales, Sonora . Tijuana�s tally was five due to a shootout involving the military. And another shootout in Matamoros, Tamaulipas, resulted in another death and four subjects wounded. Further, the U.S. Consulate in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, had to suspend operations because of yet another shootout between police and some individuals in the proximity.
(NOTE : The foregoing is as reported in the daily account of violent blood spillage in Mexico)

- Guatemalan officials have detected some 300 Mexican members of the Zetas - the Gulf Cartel�s armed group - who go back and forth across the border of Mexico and Guatemala to coordinate drug traffic operations between Colombia, Mexico and the United States. On March 25 of this year a dispute for control with a local Guatemalan family in Zacapa - near the Honduran border - resulted in 11 deaths.
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La Cronica de Hoy (Mexico City) 10/17/08

A man claiming to be a United States citizen was detained while trying to cross back into the U.S. at the Port of Entry at Brownsville, Texas. He had been using the identity of a deceased U.S. citizen for the last twenty years and had been residing in Florida, but a fingerprint data bank check disclosed his true identity and the fact that he is an undocumented and illegal Mexican immigrant..
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Norte (Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua) 10/17/08

Around 8:30 p.m. Thursday residents of the Ciudad Juarez area around the El Campanario events center heard a number of firearm shots but none of local citizens left their homes until after the shooting stopped and the shooters had gone. Then they came out and found six men, all apparently in their early twenties, who�d been made to kneel facing a wall of the events center and had then been shot and killed with a sub machinegun. �More than� 100 shell casings were found at the scene. None of the area neighbors could give any information about the perpetrators.
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El Universo (Guayaquil, Ecuador) 10/16/08

Italy�s Interior Minister, Roberto Maroni, told a parliamentary commission that Italy will substitute a monetary sanction in lieu of prison for illegal immigrants, and that this will then trigger their expulsion from the country.
Maroni�s declaration coincided with the arrival on Thursday morning of three craft loaded with 650 illegal immigrants at Lampedusa. (An Italian island on the Mediterranean south of Sicily and across from Libya.) An Italian Navy vessel picked up 239 persons - including 51 women and 4 children - and a customs unit picked up another 132 illegals - 49 females included - from a craft adrift 15 kms. off the coast. The other 300 were intercepted after reaching the shore. The prior last wave of illegals was on October 7th, when more than 800 persons arrived within less than 24 hours.
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El Heraldo (Tegucigalpa, Honduras) 10/16/08

(An issue of potential impact on �Resident Alien� (�Green�) cards)
The gay community is threatening to not take part in the political parties� internal elections because of the discrimination existing at the National Registry of Persons (�RNP�) when their identity cards are processed.
The �gais� (sic), especially the �travestis� (sic), are upset because when their photograph is taken for their identity card they are made to take off the make-up, the hair, the wigs and all type of jewelry, since they are listed as men in the books.
The �RNP� officials explained that only a reform of the law would allow this type of identification and in the meantime these persons will have to abide with what is established in the national identification system.
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Prensa Libre (Guatemala City, Guatemala) 10/17/08

(The end portions of an op/column by Carolina Escobar, titled �Shared Hatred� follow) :
We are sick of violence, our children keep witnessing lynchings, murders, rapes and all kinds of events which are forming a vision of the world. This is tremendously perverse; on one side we place our faith in the future in children and youth, and on the other we expose them to a reality that turns them into skeptics (first possibility), or into multipliers of the violence ( second possibility.)
I express my hatred for the violence in which more people die than in wartime. Life is at the base of our human rights and in our Constitution; why not also believe that we have the right to die well? why don�t we invest in preventing violence instead of creating private security agencies?
(An earlier portion of this column states that a National Police spokesman told a news agency that according to official data an average of 14 persons are murdered in Guatemala on a daily basis.)
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Critica (Sonora) 10/16/08

Two U.S. citizens, two Argentinians, a Brazilian, a Chilean and a Brazilian minor were in Sonoyta, Sonora, in a vehicle that was towing a boat. (This is just across from Lukeville, AZ)
They were stopped by police, who then found 897 packages of marihuana in the boat. The weed weighed two tons and the travelers had been heading to Mexicali, Baja Calif., but have now been remanded into custody.. (No date of the event was given.)
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"Stealing" ,....or just buying the Badges, for cash / Dope / Favors ?

Given TSA's abysmal track record to date,....I'm 60 / 40 on this deal.

Link: http://www.newschannel5.tv/Investigations/996848


Criminals Possibly Targeting Law Enforcement Badges
Thursday , August 21, 2008 Posted: 11:12 PM
Stolen Gear Investigation

NEWSCHANNEL 5 found at least four cases of missing credentials

WESLACO - NEWSCHANNEL 5 discovered thieves are stealing law enforcement equipment, including badges, guns, and credentials.

The thefts are happening everywhere. Victims include Transportation Security Agency personnel at Valley airports.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation says it all could mean problems.

"Certainly there's security issues. Anything like that has to do with an airport, commercial traffic of airplanes... Certainly we have an interest, especially after 9/11," says Jorge Cisneros.

Documents obtained by NEWSCHANNEL 5 show at least four cases where credentials and badges have gone missing.

There are no deadlines for reporting missing equipment. The rules only state it should be immediate.

Airport officials say there are built in safeguards that require more than just a TSA badge to get past security.

closing off the day on a bright and cheerful note,.....

Another success for "Due Proccess"

.....sorta' thing leaves you in awe about how well this is all working,


.............NOT.



Link: http://www.thebulletin.us/site/inde...amp;PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

Inside Today's Bulletin
Arrested Illegal Immigrants Were Paroled Killers
By Michael P. Tremoglie, The Bulletin
10/17/2008
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Two men arrested Oct. 14 in Reading on drug charges turned out to be paroled killers as well as illegal Cuban immigrants who were ordered to be deported but were not.

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The two were identified as Pedro Gonzalez-Aguiar, 46 and Pablo Morales-Torres, 56 both of Reading. Mr. Gonzalez-Aguilar was serving a 1984 robbery sentence when he killed a man in Graterford Prison in 1987. He served 16 years of the 11 to 25 year sentence he received for the crime. He was released in 2003.

Mr. Morales-Torres was sentenced to 20 years for a 1987 murder committed in Lancaster. He served his entire sentence but was paroled for another offense committed since then. He was also wanted for a 1986 murder in Miami.

Although they had been ordered to be deported after their murder convictions, it failed to happen because Cuba does not accept the repatriation of convicted murderers. They were released on the condition they would periodically report to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer, in accordance with current immigration laws. As the law stands, an individual who cannot be expected to be deported cannot be held in custody indefinitely.

Jian Liu, an immigration specialist with the Philadelphia law firm of Zarwin, Baum, DeVito, Kaplan, Schaer and Toddy, clarified the law.

"Individuals cannot be expected to be in custody awaiting deportation forever. ICE reviews the deportation status in 90 days. If they cannot be deported after that time, they are released under an order of supervision," Ms. Liu said. "This means that they are required to report weekly to a specific officer at ICE until deportation can be arranged."

There is no limit to how long such a person can be supervised, Ms. Liu said. It is at the discretion of the ICE officer.

Last March, U.S. Senator Arlen Specter,R-Pa., the ranking member of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, introduced the Accountability in Immigration Repatriation (AIR) Act of 2008. It would impose sanctions on countries that refuse to take back aliens who have been convicted of crimes in the United States and other aliens who are under a final order of removal.

"Streamlining the deportation process and insisting that countries repatriate illegal aliens who have been convicted of crimes of violence will free substantial Immigration and Customs Enforcement resources, which can then be devoted to improving identification and reporting of deportable criminal aliens in federal, state or local custody," Sen. Specter said. "My proposal works to stop criminal aliens from being released onto our streets and helps to close the government's credibility gap on immigration enforcement."

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What's this ABP stuff, i bet your one of the members? Sounds like a little club for little boys, who've never had the chance to be soldiers? Or maybe like you too broke dick, physically or mentally or have too much of a criminal record, to be a real Border Patrol Agent.

Sounds like that white supremacy group in Idaho or that band of nuts in Waco. Is Spencer the fellow that you pray to, bow your head and repeat some silly chant?

Let me tell you, if the "ball drops" Natl. Guard or active duty US Mil. troops, who have real combat experience, in such such places as Iraq, Afghanistan will take over. The Mil. commanders will tell your little band of wannabe's, to sit it out and watch the film at six.

Phew,....pretty gassy in here,.....

Let's air it out,....

Sherrif Joe's got a sense of humor it would seem,

Least I find this funny

GTC

Link: http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2008/oct/mayor-defends-illegal-workers-city-hall

Mayor Defends Illegal Workers At City Hall
Fri, 10/17/2008 - 15:43 � Judicial Watch Blog
The outraged mayor of Arizona�s third largest city is accusing the county sheriff of improperly violating his municipality for conducting a raid of illegal immigrants working in public buildings, including City Hall and the library.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio conducted the middle-of-the-night raid on Mesa City Hall and library after a city employee reported that illegal immigrants worked for a company contracted to clean the facilities. The informant had tipped of a Mesa Police lieutenant who refused to take action, according to a news report of the raid.

When the concerned employee called the county sheriff, the department took the information seriously and assigned an undercover detective claiming to be an undocumented immigrant to infiltrate the cleaning business. The detective was coached by a company manager on how to obtain false identification that would get past a federal database.

Armed with dozens of arrest warrants, Maricopa sheriffs deputies raided the public buildings and arrested 16 people on suspicion of identity theft and being in the country illegally. Authorities said that 15 others are still on the run. Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas later revealed that the cleaning company had been under investigation for months.

In late August a Mesa landscaping company, contracted by the city to work on its public parks, was raided by Maricopa sheriffs and nearly 30 illegal immigrants were arrested. The sheriff has stepped in to help curb the area�s illegal immigration crisis because the Mesa Police Department has a don�t-ask-don�t-tell policy regarding illegal aliens.

In fact, Mesa�s police chief has often clashed with Arpaio�s immigration enforcement policies. After all, the chief (George Gascon) was once an assistant chief at the Los Angeles Police Department which has an official longtime policy (Special Order 40) that forbids officers from asking about a suspect�s legal status.

" Sounds like that white supremacy group in Idaho or that band of nuts in Waco. "

Yup, here's a shot of one of these dangerous, extremist "Whackos" taken on last 4 July.

Sure looks like a threat,.....?

Maybe to you and your view of World Order ?

Mebbe deseves what those Waco folks got ?


Young lady contemplates the American flag as she places them on the border fence on the American Border Patrol ranch in southeastern Arizona....

And by the way,.......moron, you're talkin' to another vet,.....who buckled on gear while you were ridin your Schwinn.

I'm not going to further dignify your latest puddle of vomited up bile,.........it's fairly clear who wear's the sicko label, at this table

You want answers,....figure out how to run a search function,.....and learn to read, ...

Maybe you can find the article about an American Reserve unit being DECORATED for retreating under fire,.....over in Sasabe a while back. They were fired on by dope runners,........

GTC

Your telling me that your little rag tag group of wannabe's is better then the US Mil. you [bleep] funny. The majority of your reserve units actually aren't combat trained, to the level of your Natl. Guard or active duty units. I'ld put any Natl. Guard or active duty Infantry unit up against your ABP, anyday of the week.

Who did you serve with and what dates in the Mil.? Here's mine just so you can see, lets see yours.

1. 9th Inf. Div. Ft. Lewis, Wa. 3/5th Cav. 1978-1981
2. 101st Abn Div. 101st Avn Bn. 1981-1983
3. TASKFORCE 160, Ft. Campbell, Ky. 1983-1984
4. 2nd Inf. Div. Korea 4/7th Cav. 1984-1985
5. SOCOM 160th SOAR Abn. Ft. Campbell, Ky. 1985-1988
6. 7th Corp. 2/6th Cav. Illesheim, Germany 1988-1992
7 SOCOM 160th SOAR Abn. Ft. Campbell, Ky. 1992-1994
8. SOCOM 160th SOAR Abn. Hunter Army Airfield Savannah,Ga. 1994-1996
9. SOCOM 160th SOAR Abn. Ft. Campbell, Ky. 1996-1998

You are not in charge here, dufus.

...........and you're still not reading and interpreting anywhere's near what's beeing conveyed.

You seem to be the only one haveing that problem,.....so we'll just leave you spitting up bile,.....all over your keyboard.

Waste of time trying to have a coherant dialogue with you.

GTC

What is bile, your world for the day? You've used it twice, trying in increase your vocab.? It must fall in with your other fascinations with the word, fart, gas, and other type of bodily functions, that you choose on a daily basis.

I fully understand the situation. You have to understand that regarding your ABP, that if this country was to get into a conflict on the border. The battles would be done by professional Mil. or LE agencies, not some group of wannabe's.

If you really want to help out, go join the real USBP, but the majority of your group, are either too old, physically unable to pass the physical/medical exam. test or PT standards.

That along with the other requirements to include, the USBP Academy. The truth be known the majority of your little group couldn't make it in combat due to the ability to follow orders, along with the dislike for authority figures.

This is one reason that no professional Mil/LE organization will involve your group in anything. I've personnaly read where you made derogitory comments towards a Mil officer in charge, regarding a range issue. That's a prime example of your inability to follow orders and procedures. I am sorry bubba, but you can't play Army till you learn that. If the truth was to be known, you probably had issues with that, when your were in the Mil.

If your little group was to fall under an organized Mil. command, your band of misfits would be "pissing and whining" about everything they were told to do.

Please prove to me, that i am wrong, other then chin music from you. When and where did you serve? Your little organization is as much a para military organization, as the Salvation Army is.

You are some sorta' derilict,....

and have NO CLUE what you're talking about,.....

I think you oughta' wander off and find something to salute,.....

and give you new ( World ) orders

and run some research,....

before runnin' your mouth.

Chuckle.

GTC

I pulled up a web search on ABP, the first thing that came up was your bud, Spencer, trying to deny that they were a hate group, after being put on a list by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

That's funny, i guess some others, see them as they truly might be. The SPLC might not be the most conservative group in the world, but their pretty good at spoting hate groups, they have been for years.


The ABP claim all they do is take pictures and post them on the net.

You should organise a "Waco Style" attack,....and kill 'em all,
hero.

UHhhhhh, "Southern Poverty Law Center",.......I think we might have something figured here,....folks

Wait a minute,......You're not really Janet Reno ,....are you ?

Hell of a way to be behaving in your retirement, ya' ole' BAG.

GTC

Bad timing, ....on this one,

seein' as how all this HEAT is on from Tenn.

" Civil Rights ",...a term used, Mis-used, and Abused.

....and so far from the original context as to be almost un-interpretable.
OHHHhhhhh those BAAAaaaDddddd Aridzonans.( pronounce that like a Sheeple)

Link: http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=976789

Civil rights attorney says AZ one of top anti-immigration states
October 20th, 2008 @ 6:15am
by Jim Cross/KTAR

A prominent civil rights attorney says Arizona is now one of the top three anti-immigrant states in the nation.

John Trasvina with the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund continues to challenge the state's requirement that voters provide certain ID to prove citizenship and cast a ballot.

"Latino citizens who are voters, who are registered to vote ought to be able to be allowed to vote without unfettered and discriminatory checks," he says.

Trasvina says the sheriff's campaign against illegal immigration goes beyond the bounds of law enforcement and common sense.

"One, MALDEF has a lawsuit dealing with the sheriff's activities. The second is we need a United States Attorney General who will take civil rights seriously. And we haven't had that in the past six or seven years."

Hunter, Were you spawned in a laboratory,

and raised by a village ?

By Hillary

GTC