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She was up eating corn like nothing had happened. I shot her again in the heart. She ran into the fence and fell over. Ultimately, terminal performance is not a 100% given in ballistics.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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I agree, if you hit them in the heart or lungs they are dead on their feet. It's like a grenade went off inside. They are the most accurate bullet I have tried. I'm going to deer lease weekend after next. If we catch pigs I will use Bergers on them. I still some 300 Win mags loaded with 150's. I will try more shoulder shots just for the hell if it.
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hanco,
As I recall, Berger recommends a muzzle velocity of no more than 3200 fps with their hunting bullets. Dunno what velocity your .300 is getting but suspect it's more than that.
There's no reason to push them even that fast, as one of the other advantages of using Bergers is their very high ballistic coefficients. I've seen a bunch of animals shot with 185 VLD's from a couple of .300 Winchester Magnums at muzzle velocity around 3100 fps, from well under 100 yards to over 500 yards, and there was no problem with penetrating shoulders close up or expansion far out.
All bullets work best within a certain velocity range. Monolithics work best at higher muzzle velocities (I've used them up to 4300 fps) but may not expand much or at all at lower impact velocities where Bergers expand nicely. (Aside from construction, the other reason Bergers expand well at long range is they retain more velocity due to higher BC's.) It's still important to select the right bullet for the cartrdge/velocity.
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hanco,
As I recall, Berger recommends a muzzle velocity of no more than 3200 fps with their hunting bullets. Dunno what velocity your .300 is getting but suspect it's more than that.
There's no reason to push them even that fast, as one of the other advantages of using Bergers is their very high ballistic coefficients. I've seen a bunch of animals shot with 185 VLD's from a couple of .300 Winchester Magnums at muzzle velocity around 3100 fps, from well under 100 yards to over 500 yards, and there was no problem with penetrating shoulders close up or expansion far out.
All bullets work best within a certain velocity range. Monolithics work best at higher muzzle velocities (I've used them up to 4300 fps) but may not expand much or at all at lower impact velocities where Bergers expand nicely. (Aside from construction, the other reason Bergers expand well at long range is they retain more velocity due to higher BC's.) It's still important to select the right bullet for the cartrdge/velocity.
so you are saying they would be perfect in the 308 Win for Big Game?
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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The bullet that hit the sow was a 264 Win mag 140 VLD hunting bullet. It was loaded with 55 grains IMR 4350. At 60 yards it was around 2900 fps. The pigs I've shot with the 300 were heart-lung shots. I will try a few shoulder shots. We catch a dozen pigs almost every time we go. I would think the heavier VLD's would penetrate better. I load the 150 grain VLD's in the 300 at 3150 fps.
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bea175,
Yeah, the 155 Berger would be far better matched with a .308 Winchester than a .300 magnum. The 168's also very good in the .308--and .30-06.
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The 6.5 130 VLD is the Hammer on shoulder shots outta a Creedmoor on southern whitetails.
Has anyone tried the .243 87 gr VLD on deer?
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bea175,
Yeah, the 155 Berger would be far better matched with a .308 Winchester than a .300 magnum. The 168's also very good in the .308--and .30-06. Since we are so close to the answer for 300 win mag and a buddy is having one built... and doesn't want mono bullets likely...( 168ttsx if he would was my suggestion- shooting basically deer only) then I run 185 bergers in my 308 and moving to the 200ish hybrids... what would a normal person run in a 300 win mag? 185 or the 200 whatevers, to prevent old ballistic tip type damages?
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Rost 215 hybrids and the 300win mag are a deadly combo!
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There it is, couldn't recall if they were 200, 210 or 215s.... think the 200s were used at the F class nationals in 308 recently...
I will pencil in 215 then...
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