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Gun is inherited and very special, as such load development started. Walnut stock OEM.
I've been having really bad groups hand loads with IMR-4350, 4064 and 4320. Bullets Nosler 150 BTH, Hornady 139 SP Int and all four of the Hornady 162's. Barrel is 1:9.5 twist and 22". Going to try Varget next I guess. Still could be a hardware issue. Plan on ripping it apart to see what's going on. Also switch to a one piece scope mount/ring or extended tactical base. Scope is a Vortex tactical 1" 4-12X40 I believe which also could be bad. Anyway had trouble getting on paper at 100 yards, went to 50 yards and get 2"- 4+" groups. It has a short box so I lightly Lee Factory crimp at the cannelur. Still didn't mater when I worked on the jump either. Hornady brass and Win.
Ideas on a load, maybe I'm in the wrong realm to start with. Thanks!
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Scope or mounting issue. Yank it all. Start over...
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4" groups at 50 yards ain't right. I would make sure everything is tight, bore is clean, and ammunition is concentric.
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Does the wood stock patriot use the plastic bedding block like the synthetic ones do?
If so that would be the first thing to check, even before the scope.. they’re garbage.
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Pick a bullet:
120 BT 140 AB or Partition 150 Eldx
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How does it shoot with factory ammo?
EDIT: I bought a Patriot in 6.5 Creedmoor for one of my son's friends to use on his first deer hunt. I didn't expect much, but was pleasantly surprised how well in shoots the 125 grain Winchester/Olin Deer Season XP and the 129 grain Hornady American Whitetail factory ammo.
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I’d try RL 15 or Big Game with 120 or 140 gr. Ballistic Tips. And a scope that you know is good.
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Hot load, as in slowly working up to a bit over max, of H414 and a 140 grain ballistic tip. Hotter I went tighter groups got in my Remington Model 7.
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Pick a bullet:
120 BT 140 AB or Partition 150 Eldx
P Then add Big Game powder... DF
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Pick a bullet:
120 BT 140 AB or Partition 150 Eldx
P Then add Big Game powder... DF Kinda. I thought the OP would respond. P
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44gr of Varget with 120bt for me out of my model 7
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My recommendation is 43.0 grains of WW-748 with a 139 grain Hornady spire point. That's a load from Ken Waters' Pet Loads I've been using since 1991 in six different 7mm-08s. Other bullets in the 139-140 grain range will work, too.
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Reloder 17 and 140gn Nosler Accubond works OK in my Rem 700 7mm/08. Other bullets like the 145gn Speer Grand Slam grouped around 5 - 6"@100m
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Well. I am going to add my 2 cents. Don't go chasing rainbows with different powders and bullets just yet. Save that step for the fine tune.
Pull the damn scope, check mounts and REPLACE with a known scope.
Just saw that OP posted 7/31...........................
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Well. I am going to add my 2 cents. Don't go chasing rainbows with different powders and bullets just yet. Save that step for the fine tune.
Pull the damn scope, check mounts and REPLACE with a known scope.
Just saw that OP posted 7/31........................... I agree. It would be very difficult to find a bolt action to spray at 50 yards. I would change the scope.
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Um, my apologies to the OP !
& I do fully recognize your sentimental attachment to this firearm.
There has been some solid advice given here, but why are we discussing accuracy issues of a low end / budget rifle, in the "Long Range Hunting Forum" ?
Not meaning to be a dick, but surely the hunting rifle forum would have been more appropriate.
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i have got the best groups with H414 powder in all 4 of my 7mm-08`s. i build the first 7mm-08 before anyone ever manufactured rifles or ammo.good luck with yours its a great cartridge,Pete53
as has been posted that scope might be the problem ?
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Budget rifles dont shoot well? Hmmm, I’ll tell mine it cant really shoot as well as it does
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Well. I am going to add my 2 cents. Don't go chasing rainbows with different powders and bullets just yet. Save that step for the fine tune.
Pull the damn scope, check mounts and REPLACE with a known scope.
Just saw that OP posted 7/31........................... Do this first^^^^^! And if the barrel is free floated on these rifles check it and make sure it clear Also make sure your bolts holding the action and stock together are tight Its not the load.....
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Got pics of those groups?
They may have clues. Are your groups round or linear? One group, or two separate clusters? Two grouping is an easy diagnosis of thing moving. 3 shots aren't going to show much. You need 6 or eight for this to show patterns.
A flat based Sierra or maybe Hornady is what i would try if you want to see if the thing will shoot. If they won't work, likely nothing will.
Let's see pics.
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