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Daughter and I are going to SA on a plains game hunt in 7/2021. She will be shooting a .308. Zebra, gemsbok and wildebeest are on the list along with smaller antelope. All things being equal, velocity and accuracy, which would you shoot? Nosler 168 grain accubond lr or a 168 grain ttsx. Thank you in advance.
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Shoot a Barnes into the triangle/sargent stripe. A 160-grain NP .270 Weatherby did for my wife's last year. 150-grain TSX for a gemsbok and waterbuck in 2007. 168-grain TTSX for me.
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Daughter and I are going to SA on a plains game hunt in 7/2021. She will be shooting a .308. Zebra, gemsbok and wildebeest are on the list along with smaller antelope. All things being equal, velocity and accuracy, which would you shoot? Nosler 168 grain accubond lr or a 168 grain ttsx. Thank you in advance. TTSX is my choice.....excellent bullet. A 150 grain TTSX wouldn't be a bad pick as well.
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Howdy DR
I have taken 4 Zebra, Blue Wildebeest, 2 Kudu, Eland, Waterbuck, Nyala and Gemsbok all with the 180TTSX from a .300 Mag.
Perfection - all I can say.
In the .308 I'd go no heavier than 168 to help keep the velocity up.
Some other bullets may work as well, but my African experiences with TTSX are stellar.
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At .308 velocities either will work well--but have seen quicker kills (and more than adequate penetration) with 150-grain tipped monolthics (Barnes TTSX and Nosler E-Tip) than heavier bullets, probably due to higher velocity.
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Load is 40 grains of IMR-3031 for both loads. Guessing starting velocity is about 2550 FPS.
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I'd pick the Accubond with the reduced velocity. My wife shot those animals with a 308 and 180 accubonds. Worked well.
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At .308 velocities either will work well--but have seen quicker kills (and more than adequate penetration) with 150-grain tipped monolthics (Barnes TTSX and Nosler E-Tip) than heavier bullets, probably due to higher velocity. Honestly, what more would you really need? 308’s have been my lifelong favorites. Began hunting in 77 with a 308 & have not stopped.
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Last safari we used 165TSX in Mrs Blacktailer's 308 Kimber. I don't recall what velocity I loaded to but it was not max by any means because I didn't want to beat her up with recoil. Did fine on zebra on down. The TTSX should work very well.
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The 308 is popular in South Africa and Namibia, probably elsewhere too. One PH loaded the Speer 180s others used the RWS Cone point and H-Mantles, not sure which weight. Either 168 will work well. Another good option is the 130 TTSX this if shots will be longer or recoil might become an issue. I wouldn't hesitate to use the 130 on the larger game you listed but might go heavier for eland. Depending on the length of the hunt recoil can build up cumulatively and is more likely in African hunting where you can shoot as many shots in one day as you do in an entire season in the US.
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The milder loading is in trying to keep the recoil down. Shots will be limited, as much as possible, to under 300 yards.
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The milder loading is in trying to keep the recoil down. Shots will be limited, as much as possible, to under 300 yards. Given any thought to using the 130 Barnes and increasing velocity? They work best with some speed
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Load is 40 grains of IMR-3031 for both loads. Guessing starting velocity is about 2550 FPS. Given this parameter, then the Accubond LR all day, every day due to your lower velocities. If you would like even lighter recoil with good ballistics, either the Barnes 120 BlackTip (usable at very low velocities) or the 130 TTSX would work well. The 120 opens up larger and yet still holds together like a mono. If going factory ammo, then the Barnes Vortex 150 TTSX (new stock #) has the best bullet designed for the 308. Higher BC and meant to open fully at lower velocities, but currently unavailable to reloaders.
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180 grain Barnes.
Took my .308 on 3 trips and shot everything from Steenbok to Zebra, Gembok, and Kudu. I took my .300 Jarrett with 165 Grain Accubonds on my last trip to Tanzania and felt a little under-gunned with the 165s. I would take 180 grain Barnes next time. It's Africa, you likely aren't going to have a lot of shots over 150 yards. Ignore the velocity comments on here and go with a 180 grain Barnes. It'll penetrate enough and good trackers will have no issues finding a well-hit animal.
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!50 or 168gr TTSX as hard, fast and accurate as I could drive em with CFE-223 powder in Lapua cases lit with CCI-BR2's. good luck and have fun.
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Gunner, you own a rifle under 50 caliber???? :-)
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Gunner, you own a rifle under 50 caliber???? :-) I know he has one, a pre-64 .22 Hornet Super Grade. Ha! DF
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Of your choices, 168 LRAB. (But I'd use the regular Accubond or Ballistic Tip).
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“Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”. Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Posted by Brad.
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Q./... All things being equal, velocity and accuracy, which would you shoot? Nosler 168 grain accubond lr or a 168 grain ttsx.. A./ 168 ttsx. just coz African game is 'tougher' (scoff)
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