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For you all that shoot CFE 223 do you find it to work best with light, medium or heavier weight bullets in the 223?
I picked up most of 2# from a guy selling out of 223 loading components last night and thought I might give it a whirl.
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Surprisingly CFE223 is almost too slow of a burn rate for a 223...........it is at its best with the heavies from 69gr up and is almost useless with a 40grainer
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Campfire Oracle
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I get GREAT speeds out of basic 55 grainers....its my "go to" powder in the .223 and .223AI, and .222 when I want to max the speed.
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I get GREAT speeds out of basic 55 grainers....its my "go to" powder in the .223 and .223AI, and .222 when I want to max the speed. WOW ingwe, I read and agree with most of your posts........but......".222 when I want to max the speed" Don't know rather to call for a drug test, a piss quiz or Psychiatric evaluation but CFE223 was the worst powder ever in my triple deuce......... news me on how it worked for you and how it is better than N130 ???????????
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CFE223 works great for me with 62 grain fmj. Ran out of it so switched to PP Varmint.
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Campfire Oracle
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I get GREAT speeds out of basic 55 grainers....its my "go to" powder in the .223 and .223AI, and .222 when I want to max the speed. WOW ingwe, I read and agree with most of your posts........but......".222 when I want to max the speed" Don't know rather to call for a drug test, a piss quiz or Psychiatric evaluation but CFE223 was the worst powder ever in my triple deuce......... news me on how it worked for you and how it is better than N130 ??????????? Point of fact only ONE of my .222s liked it...it flat sucked in the other one......does that help?
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It's the powder in my favorite .223 load, 28.0gr. with 40 grain Bergers. Velocity of 3600fps out of the 26" barrel of the Browning Low Wall, boringly reliable sub-1/2MOA accuracy. (It's an older rifle with 1-12" twist that definitely likes light bullets.)
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Hell it doesn't matter now.
A bud wanted it more than I and I wanted his 22 mag ammo more than he.
One less powder to mess with.
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We shoot thousands of the Hornady 55 gr BTSP out of 223s for prairie dogs. It's not the fastest but burns cleans and just about eliminates copper fouling.
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It's a real winner with 77 grainers at 5.56 pressures:
Cartridge : 5.56 mm NATO - 5.56 x 45 mm
Bullet : .224, 77, Nosler CC HPBT 22421
Useable Case Capaci: 23.990 grain H2O = 1.558 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61000 psi, or 420 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
36 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 70%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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IMR 3031 109.0 22.5 1.46 2775 100.0 61000 9502 0.903 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C 107.7 26.0 1.68 2761 95.0 61000 10308 0.898 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 107.6 23.8 1.54 2760 96.8 61000 10191 0.909 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 100.0 23.8 1.54 2760 98.7 61000 9833 0.902 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 107.8 25.4 1.65 2757 96.3 61000 10098 0.900 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 102.5 24.7 1.60 2753 97.9 61000 10042 0.909 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C 108.9 24.1 1.56 2747 96.7 61000 10050 0.911 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 105.3 22.8 1.48 2747 100.0 61000 9368 0.937 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp *C *T 103.8 22.2 1.44 2744 100.0 61000 8747 0.904 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C 108.3 24.0 1.55 2744 96.1 61000 10048 0.911 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 105.4 24.0 1.56 2741 99.2 61000 9626 0.918 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle 105.4 24.0 1.56 2741 99.2 61000 9626 0.918 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 103.0 24.0 1.56 2741 99.2 61000 9626 0.918 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 104.4 23.1 1.50 2736 97.3 61000 9873 0.913 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 102.5 24.2 1.57 2729 96.6 61000 9834 0.908 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 104.6 23.1 1.50 2728 96.7 61000 9838 0.913 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 110.0 24.6 1.59 2727 97.4 59192 9974 0.928 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 109.8 23.9 1.55 2721 96.3 61000 9653 0.899 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 95.0 22.9 1.49 2720 99.6 61000 9367 0.910 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 *C 105.4 22.9 1.49 2719 99.6 61000 9365 0.915 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 100.7 21.6 1.40 2719 99.9 61000 9130 0.907 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 94.7 21.6 1.40 2719 99.9 61000 9130 0.907 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 109.3 24.7 1.60 2718 94.3 61000 9909 0.915 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 *C 107.6 24.1 1.56 2716 99.5 61000 9464 0.913 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Precision 109.4 23.5 1.52 2715 98.0 61000 9571 0.919 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 109.4 23.5 1.52 2715 98.0 61000 9571 0.919 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 *C 100.4 22.3 1.45 2712 98.0 61000 9503 0.911 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 110.0 23.8 1.54 2712 99.6 57897 9667 0.955 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 102.6 22.7 1.47 2703 97.9 61000 9399 0.912 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 *C 105.8 22.9 1.48 2702 98.0 61000 9495 0.925 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 110.0 25.5 1.65 2698 95.0 53898 10548 0.942 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 98.4 23.3 1.51 2698 98.7 61000 9294 0.928 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 98.1 23.3 1.51 2698 98.7 61000 9294 0.928 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 109.9 23.6 1.53 2697 95.7 61000 9539 0.907 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET *T 110.0 23.5 1.52 2690 95.6 60544 9518 0.911 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x *C 98.2 20.5 1.33 2687 100.0 61000 8575 0.923 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 100.2 22.6 1.46 2685 99.9 61000 8864 0.913 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 96.5 22.9 1.48 2685 98.6 61000 9129 0.924 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World AR Plus 96.5 22.9 1.48 2685 98.6 61000 9129 0.924 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 97.4 23.3 1.51 2681 97.3 61000 9206 0.922 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC *C 101.6 24.2 1.57 2680 93.5 61000 9535 0.915 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator *C 99.2 23.4 1.52 2676 96.5 61000 9293 0.917 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 100.9 21.4 1.38 2674 100.0 61000 8504 0.928 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 101.5 22.8 1.48 2674 94.7 61000 9325 0.913 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 95.2 21.7 1.41 2673 98.6 61000 9028 0.916 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 110.0 25.7 1.67 2672 89.4 55684 10071 0.937 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 110.0 25.7 1.67 2672 89.4 55684 10071 0.937 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 *C 94.3 20.4 1.32 2668 100.0 61000 8366 0.937 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 93.1 21.9 1.42 2664 98.6 61000 8946 0.916 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 101.2 22.0 1.43 2664 98.4 61000 8954 0.917 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 110.0 23.0 1.49 2664 95.6 58760 9335 0.926 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Tactical Rifle 95.6 22.5 1.46 2661 97.5 61000 8959 0.917 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 110.0 24.7 1.60 2657 90.1 60822 9432 0.921 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 104.0 22.4 1.45 2656 96.7 61000 9019 0.916 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 97.3 19.3 1.25 2648 100.0 61000 7949 0.909 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 103.2 22.6 1.46 2648 97.1 61000 8908 0.916 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133 *C 106.9 21.6 1.40 2647 100.0 61000 8201 0.916 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 1680 84.8 19.6 1.27 2644 100.0 61000 8292 0.915 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207 92.6 19.2 1.24 2639 100.0 61000 7873 0.924 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 *C 100.7 20.8 1.35 2636 100.0 61000 8076 0.923 ! Near Maximum !
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Works well with 62 grain Bear Claws.
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