I shot a .577 Nyati elephant gun, twice. It has almost exactly double the recoil of a .458 Win at 120 ft-lbs. I am not ashamed to say that I flinched on the second shot. (In Africa, its silver-soldered sights flew off the first time it was fired. My local smith was sighting it back in after replacing them. He had already shot it four times and couldn't take any more, so he asked for volunteers. Nobody shot it more than twice, and most only once. BTW, the rounds for it were $20 each, and that was 20 years ago.)
IIRC 440 grains is the proper charge for a 2100 grain conical in a 4 bore so the 300 grain charge for a 2 bore using a 3500 gr rd ball sounds like a gross under load. Wtf?
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For the record, none of those 2-bore and 4-bore guns were shoulder-fired. They were all punt guns, used to flock shoot roosting waterfowl in the market hunting days.
Not exactly correct. Before smokeless powder, old time African hunters used them all the time. Some of them weighed 35 pounds and they had to be carried by a gunbearer. Some developed permanent conditions from shooting them.
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I shot a .577 Nyati elephant gun, twice. It has almost exactly double the recoil of a .458 Win at 120 ft-lbs. I am not ashamed to say that I flinched on the second shot. (In Africa, its silver-soldered sights flew off the first time it was fired. My local smith was sighting it back in after replacing them. He had already shot it four times and couldn't take any more, so he asked for volunteers. Nobody shot it more than twice, and most only once. BTW, the rounds for it were $20 each, and that was 20 years ago.)
I hope he wasn't trying to shoot it off the bench. The proper way with such rifles is to stand up and rest them on a tripod. Felt recoil is a lot less and you're not concerned with little bitty groups with such rifles.
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Grandpa had an 8 gauge he used for ducks and geese back in the teens and 20s. I believe it was left over from the market hunting days. I still have his double 10 he used for waterfowl right up until he passed at 92. He wouldn't shoot anything smaller.
Indy, you are correct about the 2-bores and such in Africa. I had forgotten those beasts. And we fired the Nyati standing, unsupported. It was a heavily modified Win Model 70 that weighed 20 pounds, mostly in the barrel. Still was like being hit by a bus.
IIRC 440 grains is the proper charge for a 2100 grain conical in a 4 bore so the 300 grain charge for a 2 bore using a 3500 gr rd ball sounds like a gross under load. Wtf?
Ya, 7x the bullet weight and 4.5x the powder of a .45-70. Sounds like a girlie load to me. Oughta be at least 700 gr of powder.
I am..........disturbed.
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Indy, you are correct about the 2-bores and such in Africa. I had forgotten those beasts. And we fired the Nyati standing, unsupported. It was a heavily modified Win Model 70 that weighed 20 pounds, mostly in the barrel. Still was like being hit by a bus.
Wow. Do you remember the bullet weight (probably 750 grains) or velocity?
20 pounds would help somewhat.
The first .458 I fired was one Browning introduced about 1960. It was very light weight. Firing offhand with Winchester factory ammo (2100 fps, 500 grains), I could not keep my right hand in contact with the rifle as the muzzle recoiled upwards.
John "Pondoro" Taylor's first real elephant rifle was a .600 Nitro Express he bought used. 900 grain bullet at 1900 fps. The seller "forgot" to tell him that it doubled sometimes. Not one to waste valuable ammo on targets, his first shot was at an elephant. Both barrels fired, the rifle went sailing behind Taylor, and he ended up on his butt. After that he used it as a single shot.
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My grandad from S Dakota was a part time market hunter. I remember seeing his punt gun as a little boy. It would swallow several of those 2-bore shells.
In later years he told me he muzzle loaded it with then "bulk smokeless powder" and leather wads with a whole bunch of BB shot.
Still, that 2 gauge has a certain "pucker-factor".
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Back in the 1950s in Virginia City, Nev. The was a huge gun collection in the Old 62 bar, owned by an old guy named Charlie,he had a little room in the back where he lived, he had 2, 4, 6, 8, Bore rifles in display cases, in their carry cases, along with ammo for them, they were something to see, he had rows of dowel pegs on the walls, with rifles and pistols stacked on them, i asked him how many guns he had and he said over 10,000.
I asked him which was his favorite gun, and he reached behind the door of his room and came out with a m-1 carbine, then showed me a big blood stain on the wood floor, right in the front door, 2 guy's came to rob his place late at night and he killed them both just inside the door with the carbine. he would play poker with a couple of old timers on Wen. nights, one guy was the Sheriff, of Washoe County , for 20 years, back in the 1930s and 40s, great old guys and fun to play poker with. Rio7
I must have misrememberized a bit. The round I shot was a .585 Nyati, not a .577. According to Wikki, it develops 10,000 ft-lbs of muzzle crump. It fires a 750 solid slug at about 2450 fps and was developed by Ross Seyfried.
I can assure you that 10,000 ft-lbs out the front is a mofo at the back.
