|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 808
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 808 |
I've been using .225 Accubonds in my 338 for a few years. Really good accuracy in my rifle, and no problems with terminal performance. They are unobtanium now, I need a new bullet. Been considering going to the TTSX, but am curious about the Horny 230 gr ELDX. Any real world experience on moose or bears? I know plenty of guys have great things to say about the Barnes bullets, so that is always an option. I had a bad pressure experience with them in a .243 and always have that in the back of my mind when thinking about loading them.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 50,674 Likes: 2
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 50,674 Likes: 2 |
I have been loading 215 TTSX for several 338s for friends, for years. One bullet shot through the pelvis on an ordinary bull stayed in the pelvis. Another hit the spine in the neck of another ordinary bull and crushed about a foot of bone without leaving. Every one besides those two made exit holes.
I have never seen an accubomb exit. I have seen quite a few shot...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,635 Likes: 13
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,635 Likes: 13 |
That 230 grain ELD X is 5 grains weight difference over the .338 225 grain SST same construction. The "interlock" ring is a joke. If you want a good, affordable 338 bullet for general purpose Alaska stuff raven Rocks has oryx .338 230 grain oryx in stock $39 per 50. They retain more weight than those .338 accubond bullets: https://ravenrocksprecision.com/norma-338-cal-230gr-oryx-bullets-50-ct/Here's a 225 .338 sst that went a few inches into a cow moose my disabled hunting buddy shot (I had to track it/recover it/butcher it). Turned into a fragmented pancake, shallow wound, lots of wasted bloodshot meat:
Last edited by mainer_in_ak; 04/06/24.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 808
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 808 |
Thanks for the replies. 79S generously hooked me up with some 225 Accubonds, so I'll keep the status quo for now. I've killed a few moose with those from about 100yds to 430 yds with no issues. They perform close to a partition, which is to say recovered bullets have lost 20-30% of their weight. Often recovered against the hide on the off side.
The one drawback with the tsx that I've heard about is the occasional problem of them pencil holing through. I guess I'd rather have a bullet dump all its energy in the target rather than just passing through.
Mainer, I haven't tried those oryx bullets, might have to do that one of these days.
Now to find some more 4350...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 50,674 Likes: 2
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 50,674 Likes: 2 |
Thanks for the replies. 79S generously hooked me up with some 225 Accubonds, so I'll keep the status quo for now. I've killed a few moose with those from about 100yds to 430 yds with no issues. They perform close to a partition, which is to say recovered bullets have lost 20-30% of their weight. Often recovered against the hide on the off side.
The one drawback with the tsx that I've heard about is the occasional problem of them pencil holing through. I guess I'd rather have a bullet dump all its energy in the target rather than just passing through.
Mainer, I haven't tried those oryx bullets, might have to do that one of these days.
Now to find some more 4350... "Energy" does not kill stuff, bleeding does...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 1,674 Likes: 3
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 1,674 Likes: 3 |
Any game that's big enough and tough enough to warrant hauling a .338 Win Mag or a .340 Weatherby around (and its associated recoil) are big enough and tough enough to warrant using only the Barnes 225 TSX or TTSX. Unless they are in the buffalo category, it which case you would use a 250 grain TSX or a 300 grain Woodleigh, were it legal to use that caliber.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 5,133 Likes: 7
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 5,133 Likes: 7 |
Thanks for the replies. 79S generously hooked me up with some 225 Accubonds, so I'll keep the status quo for now. I've killed a few moose with those from about 100yds to 430 yds with no issues. They perform close to a partition, which is to say recovered bullets have lost 20-30% of their weight. Often recovered against the hide on the off side.
The one drawback with the tsx that I've heard about is the occasional problem of them pencil holing through. I guess I'd rather have a bullet dump all its energy in the target rather than just passing through.
Mainer, I haven't tried those oryx bullets, might have to do that one of these days.
Now to find some more 4350... 3 Bears out on KGB Road had both the IMR & H4350 on the shefl last night, right next to Varget and H4831sc
"The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants".
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 808
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 808 |
Dang, Ive got to get down to the K-pen I guess.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,359 Likes: 35
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,359 Likes: 35 |
KGB road is not on the KP.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,494 |
Thanks for the replies. 79S generously hooked me up with some 225 Accubonds, so I'll keep the status quo for now. I've killed a few moose with those from about 100yds to 430 yds with no issues. They perform close to a partition, which is to say recovered bullets have lost 20-30% of their weight. Often recovered against the hide on the off side.
The one drawback with the tsx that I've heard about is the occasional problem of them pencil holing through. I guess I'd rather have a bullet dump all its energy in the target rather than just passing through.
Mainer, I haven't tried those oryx bullets, might have to do that one of these days.
Now to find some more 4350... "Energy" does not kill stuff, bleeding does... This. Energy type bullets always end up creating a problem for me at some point. Barnes I"m still waiting on a problem...I'm sure it will eventually happen, but still happily waiting.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,570 Likes: 23
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,570 Likes: 23 |
I will admit, I am a big fan of the 225 accubond out of the 338 Win Mag. I am sure anything would work though.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 8,242 Likes: 3
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 8,242 Likes: 3 |
Barnes I"m still waiting on a problem...I'm sure it will eventually happen, but still happily waiting. You just need to make a really crappy shot
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,068 Likes: 7
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,068 Likes: 7 |
Barnes I"m still waiting on a problem...I'm sure it will eventually happen, but still happily waiting. You just need to make a really crappy shot That will do it every time…..with any bullet! 😉 memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,068 Likes: 7
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,068 Likes: 7 |
I've been using .225 Accubonds in my 338 for a few years. Really good accuracy in my rifle, and no problems with terminal performance. They are unobtanium now, I need a new bullet. Been considering going to the TTSX, but am curious about the Horny 230 gr ELDX. Any real world experience on moose or bears? I know plenty of guys have great things to say about the Barnes bullets, so that is always an option. I had a bad pressure experience with them in a .243 and always have that in the back of my mind when thinking about loading them. Not your Alaska game, but from Pronghorn up through moose down in the Lower 48. My wife has exclusively used the Barnes TTSX 225’s. Closest shot was a frontal on a cow elk at around 30 yards with an end to end exit and an elk at 400 broadside, though it was a high shoulder shot so not much animal to slow it down. It’s been her only bullet since the mid ‘90’s…..with no failures and no complaints! My only experience with an ELD X was from a 6.5 Creed at 30 yards on a “milk jug” penetration test. Abysmal performance…. only a few very small shards of bullet jacket found in 3 rd jug. While perhaps not a professional test…..it told me everything I needed to know about the ELD X at close range. Well…..at least in a 6.5 143 grain. I suspect that the .338’s are similarly constructed….I’ll save myself the disappointment by “NOT” trying them on game!!! I tested a 270 Win. the same day/same method with a 140 TSX…… bullet was drifting off center, penetrating 6 and “nicking” the 7 th. Found the TSX lying on the ground nearby……picture-perfect, typical Barnes mushroom! memtb
Last edited by memtb; 04/08/24.
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,570 Likes: 23
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,570 Likes: 23 |
I have done very well sticking 143 eldx into vitals.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 3,172 Likes: 14
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 3,172 Likes: 14 |
For whatever you think you need a .338/230 gr. bullet for? Suggest a heavier constructed bullet. The lightest I'd recommend is the Speer 250 gr. Grand Slam. ... currently on sale at the mother ship for $20.24/50 box. GR
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 23,534 Likes: 2
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 23,534 Likes: 2 |
KGB road is not on the KP. Us valley trash are more refined the Kenai peninsula trash. We don’t use paper plates and plastic forks to eat our food.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 5,133 Likes: 7
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 5,133 Likes: 7 |
Dang, Ive got to get down to the K-pen I guess. Knik Goose Bay Road out in Wasyphilis.. out where all the craziest weirdos live, be careful driving in and out
"The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants".
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,359 Likes: 35
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 86,359 Likes: 35 |
KGB road is not on the KP. Us valley trash are more refined the Kenai peninsula trash. We don’t use paper plates and plastic forks to eat our food. This is true. I avoid the KP as much as possible.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
American by birth; Alaskan by choice. --ironbender
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 23,534 Likes: 2
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 23,534 Likes: 2 |
Dang, Ive got to get down to the K-pen I guess. Knik Goose Bay Road out in Wasyphilis.. out where all the craziest weirdos live, be careful driving in and out Man that’s big lake and meadows lake. We are fine outstanding citizens out here on kgb. Anything after vine just clump them in with big lake.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
|
|
|
|
545 members (12344mag, 160user, 10gaugeman, 117LBS, 1234, 06hunter59, 57 invisible),
2,702
guests, and
1,218
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,194,793
Posts18,536,406
Members74,041
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|