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Because there comes a time where the people have to take a stand for whats right. Abortion is murder, plain and simple. We have to be a society or morals or we will look like what america currently does. I dont know many on our side who likes what america has become these days

I'm pro-life, but the cold hard fact is that there are a lot more important issues that Republicans/Conservatives need to be focusing on than abortion. It should be something that the states deal with, and whether it's legal or illegal, you're not going to change peoples minds on how they feel about it. The GOP needs to move on from this.

Under the system we were given by the Founders, you are free to fight for your position to become law, but it's an area that was clearly left to each individual state to decide, not being found in the national Constitution. So when you fight for your position to become law, you must do so in your state first, and then in the remainder of states. Let that be your life mission, i.e., to outlaw it in every state.

The abortion argument is a trap. Avoid if possible.

So if conservatives quit on abortion, will liberals quit on gun control?

Nah. They won't.

Nowhere in the original constitution was abortion been made legal or illegal. The founders knew nothing of this murdering act. This falls on morals once again. What kind of society do we want? One that treats innocent life with ZERO respect? There is no protection to murder a baby in the constitution, which is exactly with R vs W was over turned and sent back to the states. Once that was done, then the question becomes, what kind of country do we want to live in? We need some morals. A godless society is one that WILL fail. History has proved that time and again

As to those waving the church flag, we are all a product of our environment with the bulk of the US sourced via some form of Christianity.

The precise concept of "abortion" is not discussed in the Bible. A brief hint, however, occurs in Exodus 21:22-25. It's a case of a pregnant woman involved in a fight between 2 men generating a miscarriage. We see a disparity between the penalties for the loss of the fetus and/or injury of the lady. With the fetus, a fine is established by the effected husband and judges. However, if the woman is injured or dies, "lex talionis" applies i.e. a life for life or eye for eye. Now we can argue whether our present abortion debate applies, because the above deals solely with accidental as opposed to willful pregnancy termination. Herein, however, there is a difference between the woman and the fetus. The woman is viewed as a person and the unborn child as property.

I was born into a church going Lutheran community but live by my own ethics. We have all manner of religions in this world, and I don't know whether one or the other is the ultimate authority. Again, no control over where I was born, and I've not researched all of the other options. My personal prayer is that if one is indeed rewarded with a pleasant after life, that those of great character score whether they be they Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Shinto, or whatever. Don't kick dogs or children, and maybe we'll all get there.

I'm also beginning to think religions might have come to exist to explain the unexplainable, or perhaps dictate how others in power thought we should conduct ourselves.