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Believe whatever you want, but nitrocellulose is a commodity used all over the world for lots of stuff, not just powder, and the production is in the hands of relatively few people, not all our friends by any means. Powder makers are located all over the globe, and they compete not only with each other, but with paint manufacturers, the makers of Compound W, playing card makers, and more for the available supply. Just another thumb on the Inflation Scale……

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrocellulose

From Wikidiki, I laughed out loud when I read this:

Because of its explosive nature, not all applications of nitrocellulose were successful. In 1869, with elephants having been poached to near extinction, the billiards industry offered a US$10,000 prize to whoever came up with the best replacement for ivory billiard balls. John Wesley Hyatt created the winning replacement, which he created with a new material he invented, called camphored nitrocellulose—the first thermoplastic, better known as celluloid. The invention enjoyed a brief popularity, but the Hyatt balls were extremely flammable, and sometimes portions of the outer shell would explode upon impact. An owner of a billiard saloon in Colorado wrote to Hyatt about the explosive tendencies, saying that he did not mind very much personally but for the fact that every man in his saloon immediately pulled a gun at the sound.[55][56] The process used by Hyatt to manufacture the billiard balls, patented in 1881,[57] involved placing the mass of nitrocellulose in a rubber bag, which was then placed in a cylinder of liquid and heated. Pressure was applied to the liquid in the cylinder, which resulted in a uniform compression on the nitrocellulose mass, compressing it into a uniform sphere as the heat vaporized the solvents. The ball was then cooled and turned to make a uniform sphere. In light of the explosive results, this process was called the "Hyatt gun method".[58]

Alliant just removed themselves from the market. When Hodgdon does the same, (and that may happen very soon) I’ll re-evaluate my take.

It makes me wonder about the RCBS acquisition. Why would they want to sell reloading hardware if no one can get powder. Maybe they feel most folks have stockpiled powder, and hardware sales will continue unabated. I really don’t know. My two cents.

Didn’t know that about billiard balls. Interesting…
Maybe some of you chemist with a dream of hitting the jackpot can dream something up.
In the meantime, I call it as a see it ! Take a look around at what’s going on everywhere and do the math!
Maybe I am a paranoid conspiracy theorist. But I think not.
Too many black swans running around not to be, IMHO.

I pulled the firearms and put my reloading components in the safe.

I'm pretty sure that makes a bomb....

Perhaps Alliant removed themselves from the civilian market in order to meet their contract obligations to the military and ammunition industry. I imagine those customers should be easier to deal with since they buy in barrels, not little jugs. You may recall that production of some newish IMR powders have been temporarily suspended for that reason.

While some powders are hard to get and all are more expensive, it is available and this guncotton shortage will likely end at some point, so the the purchase of RCBS gives them a foothold in the loading equipment business with an established and respected product line. Certainly seems better to me than starting from scratch with its attendant costs.

Went to Alliant site,,,,,,,,,,, no mention.

More:

https://www.tacticalshit.com/ammo-shortage-imminent-the-chinese-gunpowder-crisis/

Got enough powder and primers to last at least 5 to7 yrs

worded like a true politician or some marketing guy...

translated, we are telling the world that nitrocellulose is in a world wide shortage ( create a problem that doesn't exist to create panic in the market) so we are suspending sales for an unknown period of time ( so we are going to quit making it so we can push the panic and the nonexistent problem further down the track ) " for an unknown period of time"...( we will be monitoring this to see who long we can maximize market panicking, so at the right time we can suddenly solve the problem, but with the public "expecting dramatically HIGHER prices!")..

This is just manipulation of the market and the industry is just selling out to the leftist democRATIC party, while the selling out is good.

Screw these powder companies, and their lying management and marketing "Guru Jews"..


how to destroy a market from within, if the players all come out financially ahead.


FUGG"UM!

Had a younger buddy ask me last week, if I would teach him to reload, I said I would if he wanted me too. But he shoots and Hunts with standard cal. That it's to hard to find the components now days. Better off just stocking up on ammo!

It's a [bleep] Gov't conspiracy to burden the production and distribution of gun powder.

Look at all the shipping regulations on it, all the EPA and whatever environmental agencies other govts have on it's production. One of the first shortages of Varget was caused by (and is still affected by) Aussie shipping regulations placed on overseas shipments, no doubt coordinated with the UN.

Correct answer is "Both"... I have a reasonable (for me) stash of factory ammo for my most often used chamberings. And I have more than enough reloading components to last until my demise, and then some...

Wouldn't be thrilled to have to buy Chinese gunpowder, but on the other hand Chinese fireworks always seem to go boom !

First it was the manual transmission and now the nitrocellulose! FFS

We are to believe that the cost increase of a pound of smokeless powder from $16 a pound to $70 a pound was due to the price of a base chemical like nitrocellulose?

That’s the story we’re asked to swallow?

The US wholesale price of nitrocellulose has increased from about $3,100 to $3,400 a metric ton in the last 12 months. So it’s under $2/lb, and the price increased about $0.20 per lb. https://www.intratec.us/chemical-markets/nitrocellulose-price

Alliant, I would welcome your further explanation of your price increases due to “increased costs”.

A buck a pound, heck, I’m feeling generous, call it a two buck increase. Twenty, forty, let alone sixty bucks a pound? That’s caused by something different than the price increase of nitrocellulose.

They learned they could charge more so they are.

These storm clouds were on the horizon during the Clinton years.

Should have been stockpiling then.

There's only one powder manufacturer left in the USA - St Mark's.