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Sitting Bull looks like he is thinking "It's the brave, not the bipod..."

Speaking of ‘hunting’ vs ‘shooting’, when I was in New Zealand in 2015 I whacked a trophy stag and tahr, plus a second of each (both females) for camp meat. I had only a single day left before needing to leave and my guide asked if I was interested in a chamois. Problem was, it was a full day drive/hike to get to where some were. He suggested we go the helo route and it would only take about 15 minutes once we were in the area, he said. I was skeptical, but when in Rome….

I ended up getting dropped off on a hot landing and then taking a buck Chamois that was running from the helo as it was bouncing off a cliff face. I then also took a female, this time literally from the hovering helo. It wasn’t hunting, but it was legal (and fun). Zero regrets. I’d really like to see how many people could have made the shots that I did on those two chamois.


It wasn’t my preferred way, but it was a New Zealand thing, perfectly acceptable there, and a hell of a challenge from a shooting perspective.

It's hard to believe how threatened so many people, who consider themselves hunters are when there is no question about the ethics of so called "long range hunting". They can't even convince themselves or they wouldn't have to be so defensive.

When you’re accused, you have to bring in reasoning


Please defend the ethics of hunting over a feeder in a heated box blind.

It’ll be fun

Exactly. I've seen that many times.

Ha ha.. He's definitely thinking something.....like maybe you white guys are fu cking hilarious..

Every hunt with a rifle is “all about shooting” when it comes time to shoot.

diXspurt doesn't shoot at game, it's unethical and not fair chase ! He tracks, stalks and crawls from his cave for many miles, then when he "gets close" to make it an ethical kill... he leaps to his feet & clubs it to death, like a real hunter is supposed to !

I tried to coach up a former Marine (current reserves) into PRS. God bless that hammer headed son of a gun for his service to our country and his several tours down range, but I couldn't do a thing with him past the 600 yard line. He tried a couple matches and couldn't get past his own shortcomings at distance. Too embarrassed and he walked away from it.

That's what this joker refuses to acknowledge. Hunting gets you to the place, shooting get you the dead animal.

That was good for a laugh Mike!

Man, all this Marine hate stuff... This place is a downer

No Marine hate at all, and can't possibly see how you got to that comment. The guy is not only a friend, but a co-worker, and one of the very few humanoids I'd trust watching my six....as long as he doesn't have to shoot past 600 yards.

I was saying that completely tongue in cheek FA.. Was just pokin fun.

Ok, lol.

Cool stuff there TI. NZ is on my bucket list for sure. That's some supreme stunt shooting there for sure, and can attest to how fun it is. I've been in a helicopter on my buddy's place whacking pigs, and it ain't easy by any stretch, and no "gimme" even with a shotgun. Sounds like fun!

Yeah, I find this "enlisted guys can't shoot very well" stuff interesting, and since I have zero interest in competition shooting I'll just take peoples word for it in comparison. However, I've sat at some of Hodnett's "shooting clinics" from service men from all over the world, and have seen them whack prarie dogs numerous times at 800+ yards. All this in the TX Panhandle where the wind blows to some degree every single day. All comes down to knowing your limitations I guess.

I've heard about a couple decent shooting enlisted guys...


Now officer's, never glimpsed one

Seems like the Marine Gunnery Sergeants can certainly shoot. One local Marine won Southwest Nationals Sling Division last February and has been on multiple Palma teams. Another went from Scout Sniper to running SWAT training programs for Maricopa County Sheriff's office in addition to a highly successful competition resume.

I’ve seen more good shooting on the internet than I ever have in the field or on a range…