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Like I said if he shot himself in the foot. I hope it's a suspension. I wonder how some of the advertisers on this site would feel about the way he's been carring on?

For what it's worth (and what you paid for it), my feelings on Larry and some others that need no introduction won't change; I have no respect whatsoever for them or any man who judges others based on race, color or creed. That said, provided he agrees to keep his damned racist attitudes to himself, would vote to keep him on, though I realize it's not subject to one.

LH

Nothing personal happened between me and Larry. In fact, if I ever have the chance to buy him a drink or do him a service, I will gladly do it.

The thing about being a webmaster is that no matter what you do or how you do it, you always split the crowd.

To all of you who have been PMing me for months at every Larry wisecrack, let me just say that the guy contributed a LOT to this site, especially in the early years, but even recently. There was a time when the line of newbies into Larry's PM box asking advice on building rifles, INCLUDING ME, was long. Also, what Blake says about Larry being a straight shooter, is wholly true in my experience. Larry was an assett. I am not a happy camper.

To all of you who will defend him and overlook the nature of his posting recently, and of the TKD thread especially, then I submit you aren't being honest about the point we reached.

Freedom of speech has limits. Here, and everywhere. Someone has to draw the line here, and that someone, for better or for worse, is me. I drew that line, in a clear manner. I didn't draw it at Remingtons or Leupolds or someone hurt my feelers or something petty.

I drew it at continued, deliberate, overt racism. I should have never, ever tolerated it for the one day I did. That was a bad, bad mistake on my part, and to those who were offended, I apologize for not acting more quickly. That was a serious lapse of judgment on my part. Truth is, I didn't WANT to ban Larry.

The ironic thing is that now, after resisting pretty serious calls over the last 18 months to two years to nuke him (can I have a show of hands?), I'm going to be accused by some of being a happy trigger.

Guys, I had no other real move. Larry put me in a very difficult position.

He pushed too far.

Rick

Ihonda, drop it, it's done, why bring it up, Stick had a lot of knowledge, i will admit her rubbed people wrong sometimes, but chill out. Crap, Happy I have armor plating for skin, shiet just rolls of my back like water on a Duck. Les

Rick you did what you had to do, fully understand, still sucks though.

I was trying to be a good guy and had my hand up to keep your buddy on here in the spirit of the site, but I guess you missed that. No biggie. Done deal.

No I caught that, but it's over, why even bring it up anymore. Yeah, Stick could grate, but hell, So can I, but I try not to cross that line. Nothing against ya Ihonda. Les

Rick- I'm sorry you were put in a terrible position. Thanks for doing the right thing, however hard & unpleasant.

I came here a couple of months ago looking for a present for my husband and didn't think I would stay, but here I am. Being a woman, I didn't think I would be welcomed, but I was. You have a great site. It's nice to have the friendly tone back in it- it's very endearing.

Thanks too for working so hard on getting the site updated and up & going again so no one dies from withdrawl. I hope you are able to catch up on your sleep this week. Tell the boss you'll be coming in late tomorrow!

Thank you!

The ironic thing is that now, after resisting pretty serious calls over the last 18 months to two years to nuke him (can I have a show of hands?), I'm going to be accused by some of being a happy trigger.

Guys, I had no other real move. Larry put me in a very difficult position.

He pushed too far.
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Is this in regards to locking a thread, or has Stick been shown the door?

Both

'Bout a year ago, in a thread I started about my mother's drug problem...Stick said something that has stuck with me. He said "Even family can be cull." I acknowleged him....cuz he was, indeed, right.

I have taken more than my share of insults, name-calling, chit slinging from the man....but I always read his rifle/hunting posts....and gleaned what I could from him. He was an asset to this board....and he was/is something to behold, when it comes to cutting through the chit...and more than a few will miss reading those posts.

Mr. Bin did what he had to do....not what he wanted to do. A bold move, on his part, and I don't envy him.

I won't miss his harshness....or his rants.....but I can fully understand missing what he, without all the other crap, brought to this board. Doubt I am alone.

But, when the dust settled, and enough was enough...."even family can be cull".

Peace out,
HoundGirl

I've talked with Stick for almost 5 years now, since I first joined here in '02.Despite what you see here on the forum, I don't recall us ever having many disagreements in our PM's.

I learned a lot in those early discussions, and really looked forward to getting Larry's opinion on different things. But over the years, I watched his ego grow and grow as this site grew and he became considered a "guru". It seemed that he became a hero in his own mind, and he just became arrogant. The nice, helpful guy slowly disappeared and was replaced by someone else.

Rick did the right thing. If you used that kind of language at work, or in a business you were frequenting (which this is), you would be asked to leave. Larry just did not let it slip once. He did not just let loose in one thread .He dropped racial slurs in three threads (that I saw) within a day or two, and on top of that, brought his kids into it with pictures. He pushed "acceptable conduct" right out the window.

There has to be a line folks. If that kind of stuff is allowed, then what else?

I'll miss butting heads with the Big Stick of today, but I'd rather have back the nice, friendly ,helpful Larry I first met in '02.

WB.

I for one won't miss him at all.Good riddance.I have been known to raise a few hackles myself but to do it almost automatically and with no regard for the other is ..........................

One down and one more to go...............

I can only hope...............

Sorry for the dots but I am feeling very sarcastic.

OK, for some reason the new board took me straight to page two of the thread.

Well it is too bad, but I'm betting Rick wasn't quick on the trigger. IMHO Stick doesn't seem the type to conform to what others think right & wrong, and I think maybe up in the bush of AK a man can let his work ethic do the talking, but the trouble is the 24hr is read everywhere & Rick has no choice but to consider that...

Maybe in the future something will be worked out.

I personally ain't real crazy over the PC freaking world we inhabit.

Ain't faulting Rick Bin, he's got advertisers to think of etc.


But I will tell you this, I bought more stuff from Rick Bin on Stick's advice than I ever would have if not for his input. I didn't or haven't bought a lot and not saying I won't buy more from Rick, just stating facts for what they were in my experience. The guy was downright helpful to me in both PM's and phone calls, though I don't always endorse his style of banter.

But I do have a question for you folks, can anyone give me a count on how many times we heard jokes, both delivered in good humor and in mean spirit about Stick's height or lack thereof. (grin)

Where's Randy Newman when you need him? Short people got no reason to live..........

We all got our crosses to bear, some just got thicker skin and bear it better than others IMO.

How long before it's PC to not taunt short, fat, bald, lazy you name it folks?

My opinion and my opinion only, I ain't lived in lhonda's skin nor he mine. But I will say what I thought started to be a harmless off the cuff remark was turned into a whole nuther gig, by typical crybaby crap.

Then there was the piling on by folks that had been previously wounded in exchanges.

As said, no beef with Rick, it's his house and he's got run it as he sees fit. But it's a shame it came to this IMO. YMMV

WCB you gotta point, Stick can/could be his own worst enemy, the pics of the kids were probably over the top for many.

It ain't comedy central, it's the campfire.

Still I'll miss the Gnome. (I'd post pics of my kids now cause they're short, but never have got the hang of pic posting, grin)

HG; Very well said. +1

And then there was none...

twas a good post HG, have to agree with your assesment and what Rick says that it wasn't what he wanted to do.

You gonna have to pick up the slack now Steelhead. (grin)

If the day comes when hateful, racist words the likes of which got tossed around here are accepted as being harmless by the masses, no matter what group they're directed at, I'll hang my head in shame as an American.

Edit: And by the way, I'm not sure if your 'crybaby' comment was directed at me specifically or not, but you're welcome to ask Rick if he got any whining, complaining or plea from me asking him to step in or stop the thread, ban anyone--or contact him in any way, for that matter. I fight my own battles, thank you very much.

I'll leave aside the question of whether Stick was acting w/ malicious intent. He could very well have been.

I'd just like to point out that part of what has been seen as the genius of Lenny Bruce is that the very suppression of these words is what keeps them harmful. Its an odd way of looking at it, but its probably true unless you can make a strong argument that the words incite action. The SPLC has been successful in making this case, at least once that I'm aware of.

"It's the suppression of the word that gives it the power, the violence, the viciousness." Lenny Bruce