The reason for the 1800 deaths is: 1) They have the oldest population in Europe, and it hits old people the hardest 2) They totally failed to contain or slow it down, and cases came fast and all together into a socialized health system that is flat broke and totally overwhelmed.
They are literally having to choose from those coming in who is the most likely to survive and putting them on ventilators. Others get pain management and end of life care.
This is the reason for "social distancing" - to spread the number of cases out over months rather than weeks so the hospitals can keep up.
So go fishing, go shooting.. avoid folks for a while. This isn't a hardship for folks like us.
I like your attitude.
Good advice, good points. Also consider most older Italians live with their families, not in nursing homes or retirement communities.. Kids or younger adults bring it home and it's good-by Gramps.
I have several family members in high risk catagories. I don’t want them to die because some dumbass can’t put aside bias and think through the data.
They won't get it if they are smart & take care of themselves. Wanting everyone else to change their behavior when you could easily control your own is the very definition of a liberal.
What does "taking care of themselves" mean. Does it mean having a relative wear a mask, hood, hazmat and bringing them a ton of food from WW and staying at home and spraying down everything with 25% bleach or vinegar or h2o2 from the grocer and the hazmat relative before its brought into the house, or what?
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
7 percent....24,700 confirmed cases and 1800 deaths. Do the math.
..................What Italy DID NOT do at first is impose a travel ban coming into their country after the outbreak.......And now? Did not do it quick enough.
The skepticism here would be amusing if if weren’t so scary. This is serious. The Chinese apparently have slowed it down, but they essentially closed down a city of 10-12 million or so to do it. You really think that authoritarian government did that over the common cold?
And all of those 10-12million are still holding in place. May have slowed it down outside the city, but if it is that lethal they should be dying exponentially within. You essentially have a 10-12 million double blind study population in which to make a decision.
Our transplant centers are made up with immune compromised patients. They are not under quarantine, and those that are able, walk around within the center. They should be contacting it in numbers far above those outside.
Someone here insinuated those damn millennials are one of the bigger reasons we are going to have a problem....That was an interesting piece of rational argument... Maybe we should quarantine millennials....
Tyrone, It’s not about politics. Your reply is the kind of stupidity I expect from dumbass teenage boys. Or Nigerian internet trolls.
Why should I quarantine myself when I really DGAS if I get it? If you are in a risk group, you should at least have 2 brain cells to rub together and figure out that you are going to have to self-quarantine.
You're the one that sounds like a self-centered Millennial - "Wha!!! The World's not fair!!! Everybody change for MEEEEEE!!!!!!"
They dying like crazy in Nigeria, Somalia? Should be by now....third world countries with little health care...If Italy is under siege, can you imagine....Try....
Tyrone, It’s not about politics. Your reply is the kind of stupidity I expect from dumbass teenage boys. Or Nigerian internet trolls.
Why should I quarantine myself when I really DGAS if I get it? If you are in a risk group, you should at least have 2 brain cells to rub together and figure out that you are going to have to self-quarantine.
You're the one that sounds like a self-centered Millennial - "Wha!!! The World's not fair!!! Everybody change for MEEEEEE!!!!!!"
This place is full of old self-centered cranky old men....Mean too.....I work with a bunch of millennials. Mean????... They have nothing on some of the cranky old boomers and before that post on here....
Average Age of Italians Who Have Died From Coronavirus is 81. Jim Hoft by Jim Hoft March 15, 2020
It appears Coronavirus is a Deadly Senior’s disease
The Italian government released numbers on the coronavirus last week. There were 1,809 new cases of the deadly disease reported in Italy on Sunday.
The Italian government also recently released the percentage of deaths by age group.
90+ years old: 6% of deaths 80 – 89 years old: 42% of deaths 70 – 79 years old: 35% of deaths 60 – 69 years old: 16% of deaths
These numbers came from the World Health Organization YouTube page.
Yeah, several times higher than the flu, as in 10x deadlier.
I'm betting that a lot of people who think they have the flu actually have CV. They just stay in bed and get well in a week. Only a small pct are ever tested so any numbers are meaningless. The CDC estimates that this season the US has had between 35 mill and 49 mill flu cases. That's a huge variation in the estimate and it's a guess at best simply because so many cases aren't reported. Quite likely a good number of them are CV, not the normal flu, if there is any such thing as 'normal'.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
Tyrone, It’s not about politics. Your reply is the kind of stupidity I expect from dumbass teenage boys. Or Nigerian internet trolls.
Why should I quarantine myself when I really DGAS if I get it?
Because you may not know that you have it while being contagious?
If one doesn't know they are sick and contagious, then when do they quarantine themselves....
Cold is a virus, flu is a virus, this is a virus....Like the other two, can you get it more than once.....
This is a virus, it is out there and like it or not, it is not going away....It will most likely mutate many times and people are going to be getting and dying from it generations from now....
This place is full of old self-centered cranky old men....Mean too.....I work with a bunch of millennials. Mean????... They have nothing on some of the cranky old boomers and before that post on here....
LOL! I bet you call people by their "preferred pronouns" too.
Obits full of old people. Like usual. The under 25 folks, suicide, murder and vehicle accidents. quite a few in the 40's and 50's from alcoholism (seen em as low as 35).
The heroin and fentanyl has slowed way down. But 4 OD's on scanner last night/today. Oddly, people doing this chit in their cars, slumped at lights or in parking lots.
Why should I quarantine myself when I really DGAS if I get it? If you are in a risk group, you should at least have 2 brain cells to rub together and figure out that you are going to have to self-quarantine.
You're the one that sounds like a self-centered Millennial - "Wha!!! The World's not fair!!! Everybody change for MEEEEEE!!!!!!"
And really, I don't care if you get it either. But I do care about all the other people you will infect during the two week contagious incubation period. Any moral person would care about that.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
He said he doesn’t care if he gets it. He didn’t say he doesn’t care if he transmits it.
But don’t let that stop you from dancing the old folks bogie. 👏🏻
Now:
“The novel coronavirus is highly contagious, which means it spreads easily from person to person. According to the CDCTrusted Source, people who have the virus are most contagious when they’re showing symptoms of COVID-19.
Although it’s much less common, there’s a possibility that someone who is infected with the coronavirus can transmit the virus even if they’re not showing symptoms.”
Now, if he shows the symptoms or tests positive then he should avoid unnecessary contacts.
However, I still question how any who are non symptomatic would quarantine themselves.
Those who are high risk should quarantine themselves if they are worried.
