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Well, looks like all the usual suspects are starting to pile in. Hope my bud brings the bourbon soon. Better mount this new press first..........

WAY toooooo phreakin' phunny ... and unfortunately, way too true in this wonderful age of pc hell ...

The bad news is you lose a lion. The worse news is you still have hyenas and jackals.

I am not blaming anyone, it's just an observation.

t

We better all get our Field & Stream subscriptions renewed.

I wouldn't mind a shot across the bow of the disrespectful(to our host) people who constantly misspell curse words trying to circumvent the word blocker!

This is a family site, the rules are no cussing or they wouldn't get blocked to start with, we all know you are big boys so you don't have to curse to try to prove it, and it shows a lack of respect for Rick.

I used to cuss like the worst of them and eventually found myself doing it in front of women and children..That's when I knew it was time for a change of heart on the issue.

Rant mode off.

Mike

Better hurry and PM Rick so you can get them banned!

We all have a chink in our armor, some know how to exploit it more and some aren't aware of it.

There are no perfect people, just perfect intentions.

I'm thinking Stick has already moved on and isn't cryin his beer or Crown, maybe it's time we did the same....

IIRC Rick did ask how everyone felt about his actions............

Doesn't make sense for people going into the attack mode. Larry stepped over the line (on more than one occasion) and Rick had no choice. Stimulating conversation by being controversial is one thing, I can understand Rick taking action when Larry engaged in ethnic slurs.

Place isn't gonna be the same with Larry gone. I didn't have a problem looking past some of his insults. I can also say I've enjoyed many of his post once I learned how to read Sticklish. I'll keep up with has antics on another site he frequents

Heck, if he promises to behave bring him back on probation or something

I hate to see this happen. I've known BS since Shooters and I've learned more from him than any other. He was always willing to answer questions and help you with a project. He helped make this site what it is today and it will be less with out his knowledge and expertise. It's a shame he became so offensive in some of his more recent posts.

I believe Rick did what he felt he had to do, I'm sure he really didn't want to do it, and I'd bet there was much effort to prevent it.

It's just a sad affair all around.

Never PM'd Rick for anything but questions or commerce. Don't care much for banning anybody either. I do care if the best site on the web gets drug into the gutter by a few idjits!!

Just in this thread alone there are several examples of what I describe! I won't name names but have met a couple and like them just fine and would be more then happy to meet the rest, but there is a time and a place for certain things and these forums ain't the place for them.

I posted a picture a long time ago that was offensive and Waders called me out on it and I respect him for it...He used to look on with his child in his lap and they had no business seeing what I posted, curse words fall into the same catagory..

Mike

Any of you guys ever here of Archie Bunker ?

This crowd is what's going downhill, too many Californians and/or Californian wannabes. I hope when a guy gets banned he has the option of having everything he ever typed into this site erased too...

Rick, If you are reading, can a guy opt out of here with all posts erased ? I know this is a business venture, so maybe there is a price tag on taking posts off line ?

Man it is going to be a long time till the next hunting season and thing calm down again. You gentlemen need to relax and have drink or something. Rick has allways been nothing but fair to everyone. If anything he has let treads go long past the time they should have been axed in an effort to keep a hands off position. If stick got whacked I am sure it was for a good reason.tom

tom, which is it, do people need to drink, or is drinking bad for people and the internet ?

Of course there's free speech here. You just have to be civil when you speak and attack the message, not the messenger when you disagree.

I received several PM's today relating to this topic which will remain private, of course, save for one I had with DJMBOW who has not precluded my addressing of the substance of our communications. I was going to stay out of the fray, but after reading toltecgriz, bart185's and a couple other posts, combined with the PM's, I thought I would toss this out for consideration. First, I respect Mr Bin greatly as he is a fine and astute businessman who had to make an extremely tough business decision based upon the masses rather than the few. Having said that, I have the greatest respect for Stick as well and he will be sorely missed until such time as he may find his way back here. This is Rick's football and when he leaves, the ballgame's over. That's the short and simple of that.

My issue lies mainly into what I perceive as a subliminal type censorship that may be milling around and not all the players know the game rules, myself included. As to djmbow, here is a nutshell of his concerns, well founded or not I don't know, but perhaps an understanding can be gained from it by all.


djmbow personally confided in me that one of the reasons that he had to leave the Campfire was that he felt that he was no longer free to express his opinions here.

Here's is what he was trying to say on the Kutenay post, but got short-stopped when the thread got locked for reasons perceived but not actually known.

I may not agree with his position, but I believe he should have been given the opportunity to have expressed it . I don't believe the lock was b/c of his particular post but b/c of the overall dynamics related to it all.


djmbow's post:

The first thing I want to say here is that although I don't agree with the call, Rick is the REFEREE here and he certainly has the RIGHT and the RESPONSIBILITY to call them as he sees them.

Now that is out of the way, I have a question which (although not required) I was hoping someone here could answer somewhat intelligently.

Here goes:

While I can certainly understand how and why people can become offended by another persons remarks here (since it has certainly happened to me on more than one occasion), I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would wish to deny them the opportunity to say it?

Maybe I'm mistaken, but this is still a Forum I believe, which is defined by Webster to be: "a medium (as a newspaper) of open discussion or expression of ideas."

Doesn't it necessarily follow that like any other "medium", if one is offended by it or disinterested in the subject matter they can and often do choose to go elsewhere?

Certainly with the myriad of choices Rick has so graciously provided on the Hunters Campfire, I'm sure there is something here that would satisfy even the most discerning viewer and as someone once said here, these choices are only a "click away."

Why then I ask, do people choose to open a thread, decide they are offended or disinterested in what is being discussed and instead of simply exercising their right to go elsewhere, they whine and complain about it and sometimes even demand that the discussion be immediately terminated?

Please folks, we exercise our right to pick and choose what we watch, what we read, what we listen to etc. every day, without demanding or even suggesting that the material that we consider to be offensive or uninteresting be censored.

Why then I ask can't that same standard being applied here?(end post)

Now, having expressed this please know that I am a firm believer in fair play and I have to believe much advance warning and notice was expressed privately between the players and powers that be. I have received PM's from folks who believe this has been a censorship play and I DO NOT agree with that assessment, but that reality permeates their mindsets. As mentioned before, what is offensive to some may not be offensive to others and a general rule of "no offensive conduct'is a term of art which differs in the minds of reasonable people.

The ground rules as to this mandate need to be specific and plain. Maybe even down right simple for some. I don't want to see the talent here fade away out of either ego, anger or misunderstanding. This can be fixed and worked out for the benefit of all.I am sincerely hoping this doesn't spiral into a battleground. I hope this for Mr Bin who provides a spectacular service and benefit to us all and I sincerely wish this for all of us who may be plotting and attempting to draw their lines in the sand.

Let's all rise above it!!

Here comes another 30 page thread on the Stick subject. I mostly lurk and keep my opinions to themselves but I have to chime in here because this is my biggest gripe in this country.

1. Why is it so heinous for someone to say what they believe or feel in this world today. If you don't like a person or race for their color , religion, ethnicity or whatever, why are you wrong? More so, why is it wrong for your regular white person to say it? I work amongst all types of races and ethnicities and you can bet they all have a name for caucasians and use it all the time but noone gets their panties in a wad over that do they?

2. I don't read every post here because I don't care to hear about politics or other topics. If you don't like what you are reading move on to another post or use the ignore button on the user that offends you.(it is a great feature) Why does everyone need this guy Rick or a moderator to remove material you find offensive? Moderate yourself and don't look at it. I personally find gay male sex offensive and therefore moderate myself not to visit such posts or sites. I don't need someone to remove it from the net. Banning is a form of censorship and if you think it is a good thing you might want to reconsider.

3.There were 2 people baiting each other on in that post, why was only one banned? Why is the other still trying to pick fights on other threads? To me that is irritating to see that person get one guy banned only to stick around and bait other people into another 12 page pissing contest. (Marvelous job on the other party not taking the bait and ignoring the troll.)

Undoubtedly this post will make some other person belch out their opinion on what I said to enforce their opinion upon me. I am not pro or con or part of any organization with the exception of the military. I am pro me and pro my family other than, I couldn't give a crap.

isaac types faster than me

I had little involved in the TKD thread. I made my sentiments known a couple of times and was promptly told to butt out... Which I did after making use of the 'ignore' function.

In all fairness, I believe I did play a major role in getting BS very riled up a couple of days before on the 'union' thread. I wish I had never gotten myself sullied with it. I should have done on the first day what I did on the second. But I drifted out of that one after it turned asinine. I still don't know how it ended.

The third thread, though. That one I wish I had to do over. I saw the same old argument going on and jumped Kute when I should have made my statements and then left it like I did the one earlier. Live and learn. I hate that I handled myself so poorly.

It is odd though, that I took Rick's message upon locking that thread to be aimed at me. Kind of an 'I agree with you in principle but am tired of listening to you' kind of statement. I don't blame him. Hell, I was tired of listening to myself at that point. The whole bloody mess was beyond fixing for that day.

So I butted out.

But in case there is any doubt in anyone's mind, I have never asked Rick, or anyone else, to lock a thread, delete a post, or ban a member. Ever. I've never communicated with any of the management of this sight for any reason at all.

My web time varies greatly. A few weeks a year I have a lot of time. Most times I don't. I am into preparation for the season pretty heavy now so I won't have much trouble avoiding trouble. I sincerely hope that this post sheds some light on what transpired.

Will

Bottom line is that America is fast becoming a Socialist country with a bunch of pud pulling titty babies mandating what can and cannot be spoken.......

Stick will be missed.....not by those without a sense of humor, however......and we got a bunch of Nancy's without a sense of humor and very thin skin. Liberals are quick to suggest that violence and sex on TV can be controlled by a simple click.....why do they never hear themselves?