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In tx, even self defense shoots go in front of grand jury?
They use the broad definition of homicide doesn't matter if a legal killing or not? I think homocide just means one person killing another. Legality is another matter entirely. By definition homicide.is.the unlawful killing of one person by another thus, illegality is backed right in. The last shot will be the one that gets the guy in trouble, if at all. Typically, deployment and application of lethal force in defense of self or others ends as a legal shield when the threat ends. The State will argue to the grand jury that when the final shot was delivered the threat had already ended. He did light him up pretty good. The other side of it then would be a later defense where evidence may be introduced in the form of ME testimony demonstrating perp was either already dead or fatally wounded by time of last shot and would have died anyway. I hope he walks. As they say, FAFO. Dude, at least read a dictionary or do a search, or something, if you're gonna correct people. C'mon, man.
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How many people have been killed by someone "playing dead"?
Hard to second guess the guy.
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Valid point about survival instincts, but not a valid point about "who knows if .." That's not justification for lethal force in the law of any state. Best go with the former than the latter. I feared for my life because it appeared he may be moving for another weapon with the intent to do me harm so I continued to engage until I was sure I was safe.
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In tx, even self defense shoots go in front of grand jury?
They use the broad definition of homicide doesn't matter if a legal killing or not? I think homocide just means one person killing another. Legality is another matter entirely. By definition homicide.is.the unlawful killing of one person by another thus, illegality is backed right in. The last shot will be the one that gets the guy in trouble, if at all. Typically, deployment and application of lethal force in defense of self or others ends as a legal shield when the threat ends. The State will argue to the grand jury that when the final shot was delivered the threat had already ended. He did light him up pretty good. The other side of it then would be a later defense where evidence may be introduced in the form of ME testimony demonstrating perp was either already dead or fatally wounded by time of last shot and would have died anyway. I hope he walks. As they say, FAFO. Dude, at least read a dictionary or do a search, or something, if you're gonna correct people. C'mon, man. I direct you to Texas Penal Code Title 2 chapters 8 and 19 where Homicide is defined and defenses are outlined. Texas DA will send to grand jury and present evidence that the shooting was a homicide. However, I think there is too much evidence of justifiable homicide to sustain the grand jury. It's a fairly uncomplicated legal analysis. Perhaps you might do a little reading as well before commenting.
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Valid point about survival instincts, but not a valid point about "who knows if .." That's not justification for lethal force in the law of any state. Best go with the former than the latter. I feared for my life because I wasn't aware if he did or did not have another weapon with the intent to do me harm so I continued to engage until I was sure I was safe. And then picked his pockets....divvied up the cash and went to the movies. Probably should have stuck a finger up his bum and lit him on fire juuuuust to be sure.
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Valid point about survival instincts, but not a valid point about "who knows if .." That's not justification for lethal force in the law of any state. Best go with the former than the latter. I feared for my life because I wasn't aware if he did or did not have another weapon with the intent to do me harm so I continued to engage until I was sure I was safe. And then picked his pockets....divvied up the cash and went to the movies. Probably should have stuck a finger up his bum and lit him on fire juuuuust to be sure. Was talking more generally rather than this specific instance. End of the day - each person makes a choice, lives with it. Would I charge the guy if I was on the grand jury - nope because it's pretty clear dude died doing the crime. What happens to you in that crime - fair game. Bring out the Gimp as far as I'm concerned.
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Valid point about survival instincts, but not a valid point about "who knows if .." That's not justification for lethal force in the law of any state. Best go with the former than the latter. I feared for my life because I wasn't aware if he did or did not have another weapon with the intent to do me harm so I continued to engage until I was sure I was safe. And then picked his pockets....divvied up the cash and went to the movies. Probably should have stuck a finger up his bum and lit him on fire juuuuust to be sure. There should be NOTHING wrong with anything he did. Just another day doing the right thing. After all WHO started the whole issue?
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You guys are all pretty riled up about it.
Makes me think that maybe you are worried.
Personally, I would have saved the bullet and just sawed his head off......to be sure.
Gunsmoke was about to start you know.....
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Sound like a clean shoot. Some weenie will piss and moan about the coup de grace shot. It's not pissing and moaning. There is no law that gives a man the right to execute another one, or laws that allow a coup de grace shot. Give me a break. He was dead anyway, or at least was no longer a threat. It was a pointless and incredibly stupid thing to do. Damn. You had a box on him, reading vitals, to know he was dead. GMAFB. There are too many that lean liberal around this website. Have been for years now. NBN started it. It got finished. Its the risk you take when you play those games.
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In tx, even self defense shoots go in front of grand jury?
They use the broad definition of homicide doesn't matter if a legal killing or not? I think homocide just means one person killing another. Legality is another matter entirely. By definition homicide.is.the unlawful killing of one person by another thus, illegality is backed right in. The last shot will be the one that gets the guy in trouble, if at all. Typically, deployment and application of lethal force in defense of self or others ends as a legal shield when the threat ends. The State will argue to the grand jury that when the final shot was delivered the threat had already ended. He did light him up pretty good. The other side of it then would be a later defense where evidence may be introduced in the form of ME testimony demonstrating perp was either already dead or fatally wounded by time of last shot and would have died anyway. I hope he walks. As they say, FAFO. Dude, at least read a dictionary or do a search, or something, if you're gonna correct people. C'mon, man. I direct you to Texas Penal Code Title 2 chapters 8 and 19 where Homicide is defined and defenses are outlined. Texas DA will send to grand jury and present evidence that the shooting was a homicide. However, I think there is too much evidence of justifiable homicide to sustain the grand jury. It's a fairly uncomplicated legal analysis. Perhaps you might do a little reading as well before commenting. Had to edit. Was calling bf an ass. After rereading, I think I started the ass thing. Sorry 'bout that. My take on the definition of homicide was correct, though. .
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Valid point about survival instincts, but not a valid point about "who knows if .." That's not justification for lethal force in the law of any state. Best go with the former than the latter. I feared for my life because it appeared he may be moving for another weapon with the intent to do me harm so I continued to engage until I was sure I was safe. Perhaps, if there wasn't video showing otherwise.
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Would I charge the guy if I was on the grand jury - nope because it's pretty clear dude died doing the crime. What happens to you in that crime - fair game. Bring out the Gimp as far as I'm concerned. Same here. He'd get a no true bill from me, just on general principles. He's a bad guy stopped in the act, and I don't much care if the guy who stopped him technically went beyond his legal privileges during the encounter in the heat of the moment. In fact, as someone mentioned earlier, it would have been nice if the restaurant owner had "accidentally" erased the tape.
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If on the jury, I would only want to know: Did the diner shoot until the threat was neutralized? +2 ... +2 here also
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If on the jury, I would only want to know: Did the diner shoot until the threat was neutralized? +2 ... +2 here also He did that, and beyond. It's the "and beyond" part that the grand jury might have difficulty with.
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His hand was moving to his waistband and I thought he had another weapon.
We can’t see the perp’s hand in the vid.
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If I believed that they didn’t know who I was, I would NEVER turn myself in for that [bleep]! I absolutely predict that he WILL end up being charged, he WILL be sued by the niqqer’s family and he WILL be completely ruined by his righteous actions in the moment. I believe all of this because while he did America a huge favor, Amerika (America’s perverted sister), will come after him with an unholy vengeance. A shame, because he is a hero…
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Sound like a clean shoot. Some weenie will piss and moan about the coup de grace shot. It's not pissing and moaning. There is no law that gives a man the right to execute another one, or laws that allow a coup de grace shot. Give me a break. He was dead anyway, or at least was no longer a threat. It was a pointless and incredibly stupid thing to do. Then you can't murder a dead man! That's why I said it was stupid. All it could do was possibly get him in trouble and give the gun grabbers a great piece of propaganda. No problem with me, if the guy was already dead, it's no different than shooting a tin can. I'm sure your family sleeps well knowing you are their guardian. You didn't do well in school did you Einstein?
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Sound like a clean shoot. Some weenie will piss and moan about the coup de grace shot. It's not pissing and moaning. There is no law that gives a man the right to execute another one, or laws that allow a coup de grace shot. Give me a break. He was dead anyway, or at least was no longer a threat. It was a pointless and incredibly stupid thing to do. Damn. You had a box on him, reading vitals, to know he was dead. GMAFB. There are too many that lean liberal around this website. Have been for years now. NBN started it. It got finished. Its the risk you take when you play those games. He was no longer a threat. He kicked the toy gun away and shot him in the head. The perp got what he deserved, but the shooter made some really bad decisions at the end of the ordeal.
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If I believed that they didn’t know who I was, I would NEVER turn myself in for that [bleep]! I absolutely predict that he WILL end up being charged, he WILL be sued by the niqqer’s family and he WILL be completely ruined by his righteous actions in the moment. I believe all of this because while he did America a huge favor, Amerika (America’s perverted sister), will come after him with an unholy vengeance. A shame, because he is a hero… Agreed on all points.
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LOVED the "coup de grace"  I watched this several times and it almost appears that the “coup de grace” shot may have been accidental. Adrenaline was flowing I’m sure. The bad guy should never have been on the street. In ‘15 he gets 15 years for murder, out in 6. Assaults a woman whilst on parole, what the hell is parole for? Isn’t it to see if bad guys are gonna behave? The state and parole board have liability here just as much as the guy with the real gun. He just cleaned up their mess.
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